03-10-2010, 01:36 PM | #1 |
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L99 CAM SWAP - HELP!
Alright guys, here is the deal. The mechanic working on my car went to do the cam swap and now he is saying that the headers, heads and intake have to come off because of the lifter design on the DOD and the cam won't come out.
Now I have done tons of research on a cam swap on a automatic - and even have a magazine article. What step is he missing for the swap that is not letting the cam slide out? The magazine article just mentions two bolts that are typically missed on the oil pan but he has already removed my entire oil pan Please, any help would be appreciated, he is saying 13 additional hours to do the headers, heads and intake! Even a step by step list would be great on doing a cam swap in the L99, I know some of the performance shop members on here have done it, so anything would be greatly appreciated and quick too as my car is just laying in parts right now
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03-10-2010, 01:56 PM | #2 |
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No the heads do not need to come off to my knowledge at least just to swap the cam out BUT the AFM lifters should come out and be replaced with non AFM lifters and to do that? Yes the heads must come off. Swapping in a cam and retaining AFM is very risky.....
Heres a cut and paste about it what I said in another thread. Search it out man you dont want to cook your new engine from a lifter failure 1. AFM. Active fuel management and VVT are two completely separate systems do not confuse the two. AFM lifters are less than ideal for big lift cams it seems. They just dont seem to be able to handle the big load of high valve springs that are required when running big cams. This is the biggest issue with stock L99 cam swaps PERIOD. Furthermore GM apparently has some kind of patent on the AFM lifter design preventing the aftermarket from building a hi-perf set to swap out with. So for the time it appears that the only safe option on any decent sized cam swap is going to require AFM delete and removing the 4 AFM lifters and replacing them with 4 new stock non AFM units. Keeping the stick VVT system is fine however and should make the engine outperform a comparably cam'd non VVT equipped engine so good news there. That said VVT cam research is really just getting off the ground so as noted above a little patience is probably your best friend here while the aftermarket figures out exactly how to extract the most out of these VVT phasers and what lift/lobes/duration works best. 2. VVT phaser. The stock VVT phaser looks to be the weak link in the VVT system thus far. They just dont seem to last with big dual valve springs and big cams. So selecting a cam that doesnt require monstrous dual valve springs is also important. For the time being that is... Im smelling a completely new aftermarket phaser on the horizon or at least an upgraded version that will not suffer these ills and then we're good to go. In the meantime if you NEED a cam then I'd shy away from going too big for the time being and select a cam that can get by with single coil beehives. Besides theres lots of threads recently coming up with smaller cams making bigger power through LS3 heads so this isnt all that bad. Search Justin Timberlake cam over at tech. A quote from a tech member "The JT cam is so named because although its small like JT is, They can both still go around ****ing anything they want to" |
03-10-2010, 11:01 PM | #3 |
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My mechanic is worried about the lifters dropping using the rod technique but is going to attempt.
I will be replacing everything and eliminating the AFM down the road, just do not have the finances right now and from what I have heard so far - everyone who has kept AFM and put these MAST Motorsports cams in have done alright - so I will hope for the best for the time being. Hopefully the lifters don't drop
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03-10-2010, 11:07 PM | #4 |
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To prevent the lifters from dropping the rod technique may work, as it worked well for me when I did my LS1 Trans Am. Another way is to use a bunch of pen magnets to prevent the lifters from falling. That is the riskiest way though.
Check out ls1howto.com for guides and such...great walkthroughs with pictures for LSx motors
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03-10-2010, 11:13 PM | #5 | |
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I'm not sure if there is any difference in procedure for AFM motors. I suspect not, but can't be sure.
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03-26-2010, 07:35 AM | #6 |
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I know this is a little late but...
Here's an article on a cam swap from and L99. http://www.superchevy.com/technical/.../camshaft.html I've been researching a while now, I’m putting a cam in my car this weekend (LS3) but YES YOU CAN keep the AFM with the right cam. Comp cams wrote an entire article about their new line of LSr cams that were developed with with a strong mindset around AFM motors and using it to their advantage being able to phase the cam on the fly. keep in mind also a TUNE is very needed. The Rod trick does work, tell your mechanic to go buy a 4 foot piece of 5/16 steel dowel and cut it in half and round the ends. This can be found at your family friendly home depot cost=5 bucks compared to $129 from other places i've seen and it works the same.
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