04-18-2013, 08:28 PM | #113 | |
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LOL...no offense to those that do this. I haven't changed out a head unit on a car since probably the early 90's. Its just not my cup of tea. Don't like the non factory look. |
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04-18-2013, 08:30 PM | #114 |
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Then have speakers put in with the stereo in it.
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04-18-2013, 08:32 PM | #115 | |
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Same as when they got rid of flip up lights on the Corvette. You keep saying put on this and add that. Now my 70-80K Camaro is skyrocketing up in price even more. That's my point. Add stereo, add AC, Add carpeting and sound deadening material. As opposed to using lighter rims or smaller rims. Lighter weight body materials, etc etc. |
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04-18-2013, 08:33 PM | #116 |
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04-18-2013, 08:36 PM | #117 | |
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04-18-2013, 08:41 PM | #118 |
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Dude c'mon?!
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04-18-2013, 08:44 PM | #119 | |
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It obviously has very light weight and smaller rims. I guess you missed my post stating that only the trunk is missing carpet and sound deadening. Your arguments are not reasonable.
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04-18-2013, 09:17 PM | #120 |
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The z/28 is meant for the hardcore. THIS, you seem to not understand. Look at everything they did to the car, removed a/c, sound, rear glass, wiring, CCR... Even though some of this makes veeeery little to no difference on the track, it's so that GM could back themselves up when they say that this car is made for the HARDCORE track enthusiast. Sure there are other things they could have done, like using lighter chassis components, suspension, etc.. But then the production costs rocket. They had to work with the platform they have which is heavy.
Like GM has said, this car is meant for the track rat... They don't care that you like a/c. Or sound. If you do, they WILL tell you to get a zl1, and stay away from the z/28. if you REALLY want the z/28, you can still option a/c in. Besides, who is gonna DD a car with 40 treadware tires? Edit: 60 tw, not 40... Whoops
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2) less than 0.5% of the world's population is a HUGE number of Camaros in general to sell. That's about 35 million cars. Yes. This car is aimed for a very small segment of buyers. Very small. Very niche. If you are complaining about the car, it wasn't meant for you. It's a tough pill to swallow for some. What is wrong with the ZL1? You just don't like the badge? Quote:
2) We don't know what the Z/28 will be priced at. I personally think it will cost more than the ZL1, but not by a lot, which is what you are asking for. 3) You seem fixated on the ceramics. With a car that weighs 3800 pounds, brake fade/overheat is going to be a problem IF YOU TRACK THE CAR, and the ceramics are the solution to that problem. 4) The concept of removing A/C and stereo on a track/enthusiast focused car is not new: The original Subaru STi: had no speakers or stereo. Porsche Boxster Spyder and Cayman R: no radio, no A/C Porsche GT3RS: A/C delete and radio delete available All the people whining about the Z/28 have no intention of ever tracking the car and want it as a daily driver. You're whining because it's the wrong car for YOU. |
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04-18-2013, 10:25 PM | #124 |
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hmmm, nope
Keep dreaming. That calculator apparently doesn't work right. The 2012 Z06 with 800 less lbs does a 11.9 (by motortrend) The obese camaro, even on a diet, will still only ne a 12.6 at best.
Keep hoping, and prepare for disappointment. I wouldn't be surprised if the Z/28 is slower at the Ring also. The track that the Z/28 was faster than the ZL1 on had only a 0.3 mile straight and was a heavy brake and traction type track. the Ring with big straights and bumpy surfaces is ZL1 mag ride territory. Sorry. Hell, slap those tires and wheels on the ZL1 and bye bye Z/28. I am a fan of the Camaro (have). And a fan of the LS7 (had). But have little faith in the LS7 towing the camaro's big butt around.
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04-18-2013, 10:47 PM | #126 | |
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the ZL1 has a p/w ratio of 7.1lbs/hp. the z/28 (with 500 hp) is at 7.64 at 3820lbs, which is 300 less than zl1 coupe. now if you add 35 hp to the z/28, it will bump the p/w ratio to 7.1lbs/hp, so really, in terms of p/w, the z/28 is only at a 35 hp disadvantage. with that disadvantage in mind, the addition of CC brakes, upgraded suspension, lighter wheels with 305's on all 4 corners, aero, 60tw tires, etc... makes up for that loss of 35 hp, and surpasses it. yeeeaaaahhh, theres no way your beloved zl1 will beat it at the ring. just trust me on this one buddy. to answer the OP, I think the Z.28 will run the quarter in 12.3. two tenths off the motortrend zl1 time.
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