Firearms Section

[Nessal]

Originally Posted by CHMSC

Not true. In Cali they don't. When I went to Alabama this summer WALMART had several AR-15's for sale. It depends on the state.

Now since this latest tradegdy they may discontinue selling them altogether.

No they do not. AR15 are not assault rifles.

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by malave7567

oh cool, I drive to Duncan every morning for work

That Hop-n-Sack in the middle of no place is Pumpkin Center I'm south of there a ways.

Looking like we may not shoot tomorrow, too much last minute stuff going on.

[Nessal]

Originally Posted by Mr_Draco

Assault rifles does not have to be full auto. The definition of an assault rifle is a full OR SEMI-AUTO rifle that can use detachable, high capacity magazines.

I mean, if you want to use the liberal spun definition....

[CHMSC]

Originally Posted by Nessal

No they do not. AR15 are not assault rifles.

Lol call them what you will. Look up AR15 on the web and they come up. Not getting into that debate. Walmart does sell em...whatever you want to call them.

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by Nessal

No they do not. AR15 are not assault rifles.

Originally Posted by Nessal

I mean, if you want to use the liberal spun definition....

So what is an AR-15 that DOES have a select fire switch? Does it cease to be an AR-15 after that modification is done?

And if the rifle is in a state with the modifications that classify it as an "assault weapon", does that mean it is an "assault weapon" but not an "assault rifle"?

[Nessal]

I didn't think that I would have to educate those in free states considering the fact that I was born and raised in one of the most oppressive state in this country but I'll play.

First, a semi automatic rifle is just that, a semi auto rifle. An AR15 with a registered auto sear or FA firing group registered under the NFA is considered an assault rifle because it allows multiple rounds to be fired with one pull of the trigger. Last I checked Walmart does not sell any such firearm. I dare you to try and find one. An AR15 DOES NOT qualify to be an assault rifle if it has a "select fire switch" unless it can expell more than one round per trigger pull. A select fire switch doesn't mean squat. It is about what the firearm can do.

Second, just because it has a pistol grip, telescoping stock, flash hider, or looks black does not make it an assault rifle. I can configure a 10/22 with these parts...are you still going to call it an assault rifle? Technically a 10/22 is no different in function than an AR15 besides the caliber that it shoots. Better yet, how about a rimfire AR15?

I would not take everything you hear on the television to be accurate or the truth. The facts speak for themselves.

[Nessal]

Originally Posted by CHMSC

Lol call them what you will. Look up AR15 on the web and they come up. Not getting into that debate. Walmart does sell em...whatever you want to call them.

You still don't understand what assault rifles mean then. You're trying to call a dog a wolf.

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by Nessal

I didn't think that I would have to educate those in free states considering the fact that I was born and raised in one of the most oppressive state in this country but I'll play.

First, a semi automatic rifle is just that, a semi auto rifle. An AR15 with a registered auto sear or FA firing group registered under the NFA is considered an assault rifle because it allows multiple rounds to be fired with one pull of the trigger. Last I checked Walmart does not sell any such firearm. I dare you to try and find one. An AR15 DOES NOT qualify to be an assault rifle if it has a "select fire switch" unless it can expell more than one round per trigger pull. A select fire switch doesn't mean squat. It is about what the firearm can do.

Second, just because it has a pistol grip, telescoping stock, flash hider, or looks black does not make it an assault rifle. I can configure a 10/22 with these parts...are you still going to call it an assault rifle? Technically a 10/22 is no different in function than an AR15 besides the caliber that it shoots. Better yet, how about a rimfire AR15?

I would not take everything you hear on the television to be accurate or the truth. The facts speak for themselves.

Ok, but you know just as well as I do, that an AR-15 can have a fire select switch allowing it to become full auto, which is what I was getting at. They can be fully automatic. It is STILL an AR-15.

Also, since you live in Cali, won't this AR-15 you mentioned be classified as an "assault weapon"? The law says:

• (1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
  • (A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
  • (B) A thumbhole stock.
  • (C) A folding or telescoping stock.
  • (D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
  • (E) A flash suppressor.
  • (F) A forward pistol grip.

This does specifically say a semi-automatic... and yes, I'm aware that the bullet button takes away it's characteristic of having a detachable magazine.



Anyway, my point being is that if you went to Arizona, purchased the AR-15 from Wal-mart, and brought it back to Cali, would it be legal? No... because they would consider it an "assault weapon" and you would have to modify it.

So to blanket statement that an AR-15 "can not be" is really just... not correct.

[Nessal]

Just because uniformed politicians decide to misuse the word does not make it factually accurate. The term has been diluted 500% over time that anything that is black is considered an assault weapon. Do you also consider semiautomatic handguns assault weapons? I would think not but this state sure does with quite a few of them just because of characteristics that are completely legal in most states. You see, the truth can be twisted in so many ways that the true meaning is gone.

[Nessal]

I also want to add that there truly no such thing as an assault weapon. One gun does not "assault" anymore than another. But gun control advocates sure love using that word to demonize an inanimate object don't they. They love to say that firearms that are similar to those used in the military are assault weapons. In that case I suppose the garand and 1903 would fall in that same category.

[kalimus]

Originally Posted by Nessal

Just because uniformed politicians decide to misuse the word does not make it factually accurate. The term has been diluted 500% over time that anything that is black is considered an assault weapon. Do you also consider semiautomatic handguns assault weapons? I would think not but this state sure does with quite a few of them just because of characteristics that are completely legal in most states. You see, the truth can be twisted in so many ways that the true meaning is gone.

My personal opinion and what the law says are two different things. So yes, some semi-automatic handguns can be considered "assault weapons" by the letter of the law.

I'm not saying I agree with it, but the fact that we don't agree with the law doesn't change the fact that the law is what sets the definition. And because the law is set differently in each state is why people disagree so much on what "it" actually is.

No, one weapon does not "assault" more than another, but we'd be silly to think a certain kind of weapon isn't better at doing the assaulting than another, and that the AR-15 was designed for something like hunting. It's a stripped down M16. The original platform was designed for military use, and we have a civilian version. That's why the law defines the weapon in the way that it does.

Again... I get what you're saying, but (unfortunately) the law is the law.

I'm a gun enthusiast. Love them. Think we well-balanced and law abiding people have every right in the world to own one (and could argue that we SHOULD).

[CHMSC]

Originally Posted by kalimus

My personal opinion and what the law says are two different things. So yes, some semi-automatic handguns can be considered "assault weapons" by the letter of the law.

I'm not saying I agree with it, but the fact that we don't agree with the law doesn't change the fact that the law is what sets the definition. And because the law is set differently in each state is why people disagree so much on what "it" actually is.

No, one weapon does not "assault" more than another, but we'd be silly to think a certain kind of weapon isn't better at doing the assaulting than another, and that the AR-15 was designed for something like hunting. It's a stripped down M16. The original platform was designed for military use, and we have a civilian version. That's why the law defines the weapon in the way that it does.

Again... I get what you're saying, but (unfortunately) the law is the law.

I'm a gun enthusiast. Love them. Think we well-balanced and law abiding people have every right in the world to own one (and could argue that we SHOULD).

Well put. Thnx for typing that....I am on my iPad and really didn't want to get into a long discussion. But you said mostly what I was going to.

[SimpleGreen]

This is frustrating.

All these retards are buying up all the 308, 223, and 9MM in the stores and online like the hand of BO is gonna sweep in and take everything away forever. Goodness. I can't even go to the range because I'm not going to shoot through my supply without being able to restock it. I can't even find 22LR locally right now.

Between Christmas, CT, and the Government, I'm getting aggravated as all hell.

[kalimus]

Yeah... I wish I had started my own reloading after the first ammo panic....