BLOWN AWAY by chat w/ GM Performance Division director (gears, power potential, etc.)

[headpunter]

yessir and i believe al implicitly

[DGthe3]

0.97? Wow. I think the stang is around .9 and the chally is a bit better. Any guesses on slalom speed?

[headpunter]

the chally does .86 according to edmunds

and the mustang gt500kr only does .92 and thats whith a supposedly 20k in suspension upgrades

and the base gt500 only does .90

porsche turbo (all wheel drive) .97

bmw m3 (e90)(newest v8) .95

Nissan r35 GT-R .98

Mitsubishi Evo X .94

mini cooper (suposedly great handling car) .89

just some numbers so you know how world class that .97 is. its amazing thats a tire swap to more grip then a GT-friggin R

[Camaro Lives On]

This proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the new Camaro is going to be, a world class car, in handling and power!!! I love it. I'm anxious to see those pictures that you mentioned.

[headpunter]

as soon as I get home I'm actually in Denver on my plane getting ready to fly to Portland or

[MrGazinya]

I'm wondering about the clutch set up, just how good is the stock clutch for the SS? How much added power can it take?

[CWI]

WOW, I think we just ran over a few more ponies!!!

[MrGazinya]

Originally Posted by headpunter

so today i was lucky enough to talk to al oppenhieser at great length. he had great insight into the car being head engineer.

the most important things i got out of him were

1. the camaro with the fe3 suspension will pull .97g in lateral acceleration on a skid pad. in comparison a porsche 911 turbo does .96....yes thats right a chevy is better from the factory. getting over 1g is a matter of changing to grippier tires. just think what it will do with the pedders bushing set. Al also said he he thought the pedders hard bushings would give it alot more.


2. for all the people wanting to run power adders on the engine and were wondering about the rear end IRS. dont worry. All said they have run 650 WHEEL HORSEPOWER thru it and it was still pristine he figured the stock rear end could handle much more. how much more i guess would be up to you to find out....

i also sat at the same table with John cox the accessories manager for the camaro. He was super great to bounce questions off of.

1. the blade spoiler is alot better then the normal rsv6 and ss spoiler and has been wind tunnel tested.

2. the ground effects kit has little effect on the aerodynamic properties.

3. there will be a hurst short throw shifter option for the car that makes the throws even better then the standard car and will be available with a pistol grip, t-handle or standard hurst ball shift knob.




really when at the moment i am so excited i cannot process all the joy i feel about the car and its capabilities. its just so much more then we could have asked for in this price bracket. its just simply amazing


i will post my pics later but now i have to go to bed since i have to be up in 5 hours to catch my plane.

good night all, Today was an AMAZING DAY for all camaro lovers. this car is so much more then i even dreamed of and we should all be rejoicing.

You said that Al said, 650 horse's maybe that's something to think about along the lines of the Z28 possibly

[headpunter]

they test all sorts of different setups for reliability . For all we know it could have been a variable hp electric motor to test the strength and reliability of the rear end


Also clutches aren't that expensive so I'm not worried about that

Also I think it's a little silly to believe they will put a 650whp setup in a z28

[stovt001]

Originally Posted by headpunter

mini cooper (suposedly great handling car) .89

Just for the record, grip and handling aren't the same thing. Grip is how well the tires stick. Handling is what happens when they stop sticking. Actually handling is so much more than that, but you get the idea. In the last issue of Motor Trend there is a really good article about everything that goes into "great handling".

[headpunter]

Originally Posted by stovt001

Just for the record, grip and handling aren't the same thing. Grip is how well the tires stick. Handling is what happens when they stop sticking. Actually handling is so much more than that, but you get the idea. In the last issue of Motor Trend there is a really good article about everything that goes into "great handling".

that same article is were i got most of those numbers

[MajorTom]

Steady state grip doesn't tell the whole story of handling. I'm not saying it's going to be bad, but I have a hard time believing what is rumored to be a car around 30k is going to out handle a 130k (I think) Porsche 911 Turbo. There's a lot to consider when you talk about how a car "handles". Steady state grip, as in that .97g number is only one piece of a much larger puzzle.


But if it is true then it's very promising. It seems American car manufacturers sometimes over estimate car numbers, but if it's anywhere close to that number it's a sign of good things to come.

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by MajorTom

Steady state grip doesn't tell the whole story of handling. I'm not saying it's going to be bad, but I have a hard time believing what is rumored to be a car around 30k is going to out handle a 130k (I think) Porsche 911 Turbo. There's a lot to consider when you talk about how a car "handles". Steady state grip, as in that .97g number is only one piece of a much larger puzzle.


But if it is true then it's very promising. It seems American car manufacturers sometimes over estimate car numbers, but if it's anywhere close to that number it's a sign of good things to come.

Skidpad #'s are good for knowing how the car will cope with highspeed turns. Slalom speed is a better indicator of actual handling.

[stovt001]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

Skidpad #'s are good for knowing how the car will cope with highspeed turns. Slalom speed is a better indicator of actual handling.

But in the end what I think we can take away from this is, if it can stick like a cat on velcro, then chances are good they also engineered it to transition and handle well too. This car is much more than an engine.