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Jason@JacFab · 10-03-2014, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DSX_Camaro

Alright, so I've just now went through and gotten to your response.

Wow.

If you could make a kit out of that and find someone to do solid tunes... that would be a stupid awesome bang-for-buck forced induction set up given it produces nice numbers.

I guess I should mention that the Audi supercharger I bought is used. Most of them on ebay range from 20-40k miles of use. I bet if you were to buy one new, it would be between 3500, and 4k. I wouldn't want to base any kind of kit around used parts, but that's the only way to really get it to an economical price. Unless a guy had a real good friend that was an Audi parts guy, I don't think there would be any room to buy these complete, and new and still make any money.

If I can get it to work and work well, and if people were interested, I could see selling the intake manifold, and belt drive related stuff and let the end user source their own Audi TVS1320 unit off ebay or a local JY.

DSX_Camaro · 10-03-2014, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason@JacFab

I guess I should mention that the Audi supercharger I bought is used. Most of them on ebay range from 20-40k miles of use. I bet if you were to buy one new, it would be between 3500, and 4k. I wouldn't want to base any kind of kit around used parts, but that's the only way to really get it to an economical price. Unless a guy had a real good friend that was an Audi parts guy, I don't think there would be any room to buy these complete, and new and still make any money.

If I can get it to work and work well, and if people were interested, I could see selling the intake manifold, and belt drive related stuff and let the end user source their own Audi TVS1320 unit off ebay or a local JY.

That's more along the lines of what I meant, yes. Tuning, I think, is the only thing that really has to be figured out beyond the manifold and drive system that you'd have to fab. I mean 20-40k miles isn't that bad, and you know where to go to get it fixed if anything goes wrong... IF anything goes wrong.

Cymaro · 10-04-2014, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason@JacFab

I guess I should mention that the Audi supercharger I bought is used. Most of them on ebay range from 20-40k miles of use. I bet if you were to buy one new, it would be between 3500, and 4k. I wouldn't want to base any kind of kit around used parts, but that's the only way to really get it to an economical price. Unless a guy had a real good friend that was an Audi parts guy, I don't think there would be any room to buy these complete, and new and still make any money.

If I can get it to work and work well, and if people were interested, I could see selling the intake manifold, and belt drive related stuff and let the end user source their own Audi TVS1320 unit off ebay or a local JY.

Well after a couple beers I have come up with the below.

I'm sure you have already thought of this but can you imagine your market with this once people start buying the 2015 Colorados!!!!
I would kill for a supercharged Colorado/Canyon.

Anyways after looking at some diagrams I think the only way you would get that TVS 1900 under the hood of a Camaro would be to cut the intake runners flush with the heads to create enough room in the valley for a custom intercooler/manifold for it to mount to.

With regards to supercharger size of that Audi unit you bought, it supplies the 3.0L V6 S4 /S5 that has a 10.5 compression ratio with 11.6 psi. That's with a crank/supercharger ratio of 1:2.5 . I tried to find the diameter of the LFX engine crank pulley but couldn't find it. Maybe someone could?
What I was getting at is if you bolted up your Audi unit to the LFX right now it, with that same drive ratio, would have less boost due to a larger engine and I'm guessing the Audi engine has low flow exhaust manifolds. I would bet the LFX downpipes would flow better than that which would also make less boost. I'm not saying less boost is bad but actually good. With the higher compression of the LFX and limited tuning, 5-8 psi would probably be a beast.

I haven't figured the CFMs yet for the 7000rpm redline of the LFX yet but here is the efficiency map of the 1320. The Audi redlines at 6000, which means the 1320 is already spinning at 13,500 rpm

http://www.eaton.com/ecm/groups/publ.../ct_127898.gif

This link may also help.
http://www.s4-mtm.com/images/925803_3.0V6TFSIengine.pdf

I wish I knew how to post photos for those links.

Any feedback or corrections are welcome. I really want this to happen!!!

Cymaro · 10-04-2014, 01:31 AM

Well this is me messing around on the Eaton supercharger calculator. I just guessed at the intercooler efficiency and pressure drop for that 1320 on a LFX. Pretty rough since these are way different engines, computers, exhaust, and everything else. I think if this was tuned right 500hp and 450tq easy, and safe!
Safe is what I want the most haha. I want this to work!

aja342 · 10-04-2014, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Cymaro

Well after a couple beers I have come up with the below.

I'm sure you have already thought of this but can you imagine your market with this once people start buying the 2015 Colorados!!!!
I would kill for a supercharged Colorado/Canyon.

Anyways after looking at some diagrams I think the only way you would get that TVS 1900 under the hood of a Camaro would be to cut the intake runners flush with the heads to create enough room in the valley for a custom intercooler/manifold for it to mount to.

I was thinking the same thing about the cast in intake runners. It still would not work well because of how the runners enter the head. Trying to make a square peg fit in a round hole is fun!

DSX_Camaro · 10-04-2014, 06:29 PM

Cymaro, Jason had a post that listed pullies for the LFX. Also, the LFX has a CR of 11.5, if it changes anything.

Jason@JacFab · 10-04-2014, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DSX_Camaro

Cymaro, Jason had a post that listed pullies for the LFX. Also, the LFX has a CR of 11.5, if it changes anything.

Those are all custom pulley sizes, I don't think that's what he's looking for. I THINK the crank pulley is 6" on the lfx.

KMPrenger · 10-04-2014, 11:08 PM

Wow...that Audi unit looks like it could have some real potential. ...and that's about all I can say on this subject b/c I'm hardly an FI expert lol.

Good stuff. Can't wait to see how this one fleshes out. I have a feeling I'm going to wish even more now that I had an LFX in my car rather than an LLT.

Jason@JacFab · 10-05-2014, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Wow...that Audi unit looks like it could have some real potential. ...and that's about all I can say on this subject b/c I'm hardly an FI expert lol.

Good stuff. Can't wait to see how this one fleshes out. I have a feeling I'm going to wish even more now that I had an LFX in my car rather than an LLT.

The intake that I end up making for the audi unit would also fit an LLT. The belt drive stuff should all end up being the same, or very similar also.

IBM camaro · 10-05-2014, 04:19 PM

If it works well with tuning this could be amazing

KMPrenger · 10-05-2014, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason@JacFab

The intake that I end up making for the audi unit would also fit an LLT. The belt drive stuff should all end up being the same, or very similar also.

I thought so, but my other problem is proper tuning. Not sure if HP has got their stuff straight for the LLT yet or not and I'm not even sure where I'd go to get a tune. 2 to 3 hour drives no matter where I go I'd guess.

Appreciate the response.

TommyTheCat · 10-05-2014, 10:10 PM

*lurking*

aja342 · 10-09-2014, 08:05 AM

The more info I look up on the Audi TVS the more I am likeing the chances of this working. The only major issue I am seeing (from pictures at least) is attaching it so it has a good seal to the fabricated runners. The Supercharger only has thee bolts per side that are used to hold it down and they are only on the outboard sides.

Would love to know how Audi keeps it sealed.

sycraft · 10-09-2014, 08:19 AM

It's German, they tighten it "gutintight" to keep it from leaking

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Originally Posted by aja342

The more info I look up on the Audi TVS the more I am likeing the chances of this working. The only major issue I am seeing (from pictures at least) is attaching it so it has a good seal to the fabricated runners. The Supercharger only has thee bolts per side that are used to hold it down and they are only on the outboard sides.

Would love to know how Audi keeps it sealed.

10-04-2014, 01:31 AM	#32
Cymaro Drives: 2010 Camaro LT2/RS Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Ames, IA Posts: 248	Well this is me messing around on the Eaton supercharger calculator. I just guessed at the intercooler efficiency and pressure drop for that 1320 on a LFX. Pretty rough since these are way different engines, computers, exhaust, and everything else. I think if this was tuned right 500hp and 450tq easy, and safe! Safe is what I want the most haha. I want this to work! Attached Images

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DSX_Camaro Drives: 2013 SW 2LT/RS LFX/AY6 Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,741	Cymaro, Jason had a post that listed pullies for the LFX. Also, the LFX has a CR of 11.5, if it changes anything. __________________ K&N CAI, 1LE Strut Tower Brace, Elite Engineering Catch Can and Clean Side Separator, Apex Scoop w/ Washer Relocation Kit, CTS Front Calipers and Rotors, JacFab Ported Intake Manifold, JacFab Intake Manifold Spacer, 80mm Overkill Throttle Body, SS Brake Lines, Ideal Garage Master Cylinder, Monster Twin Disc Clutch, NPP Retrofit w/ Magnaflow Resonated X, ARH Catless Downpipes, JRE Built 3.45 Diff, 1LE Axles, 1LE Hubs, Overkill Tuned, BMR Anti Wheel-hop Kit Stage I, ACS TL1 Hood Insert, ZL1 Spoiler

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KMPrenger Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 13,943	Wow...that Audi unit looks like it could have some real potential. ...and that's about all I can say on this subject b/c I'm hardly an FI expert lol. Good stuff. Can't wait to see how this one fleshes out. I have a feeling I'm going to wish even more now that I had an LFX in my car rather than an LLT. __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties 2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)

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IBM camaro Texas HT5 Drives: IBM Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Tx Posts: 1,335	If it works well with tuning this could be amazing

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aja342 Drives: 2015 Camaro LS M6 Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Hopkinsville, KY Posts: 10	The more info I look up on the Audi TVS the more I am likeing the chances of this working. The only major issue I am seeing (from pictures at least) is attaching it so it has a good seal to the fabricated runners. The Supercharger only has thee bolts per side that are used to hold it down and they are only on the outboard sides. Would love to know how Audi keeps it sealed.