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Old 07-08-2008, 06:41 PM   #1
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FbodFather....we need your help!

As you know there are a ton of gloom and doom articles talking of the death of the camaro...over the current energy situation

And it sickens me that this can all be rectified quite easily...by drilling and raising the supply of oil...

If you have any pull at gm...you guys need to make a pr statement perhaps start commercials that basically

PRESSURE CONGRESS TO DILL FOR OIL DOMESTICALLY

Gm makes a big deal out of it....the media starts talking about it...spineless congressmen become afraid that they might get voted out because the people want the drilling so they can have cheaper oil...they finally cave in and pass legislation to drill for oil

within a year our energy prices are cut in half and we can roll on in our v8 camaro's

ROCK ON!!

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Old 07-08-2008, 07:09 PM   #2
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I've found in life that many things that you don't personally due are never as easy as it seems. Now I don't work in the oil business, but I have researched it some to help me form my own opinions in regard to the current crises we are in. If we began taking the steps neccessary to extract oil now, we will not see any noticable increase in supply untill at least 10 years from now, and that's if everything goes ABSOLUTELY perfect. Additionally, it has not been proven that drilling can definitely be performed safely off of any of the coastal regions that have been surveyed. And contrary to the belief that many republicans and non democrats seem to have, the environment is actually quite important... unless you don't live on Earth like I do. Beyond that, we will run out of oil one day. Before that time comes we need to develop cleaner, more-efficient, renewable ways to get to work and back. In my heart I'll miss exhaust fumes as much as the rest of us here, but in my head I know it's the right thing to do.

By the way, I'm an Indepandent (at least that's the category people like me are pigeon holed into)
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Old 07-08-2008, 08:58 PM   #3
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I've found in life that many things that you don't personally due are never as easy as it seems. Now I don't work in the oil business, but I have researched it some to help me form my own opinions in regard to the current crises we are in.

If we began taking the steps neccessary to extract oil now, we will not see any noticable increase in supply untill at least 10 years from now, and that's if everything goes ABSOLUTELY perfect. That's what they said 15 years ago. Also, if we show that we aren't going to take it anymore, I bet the price of oil would go down.

Additionally, it has not been proven that drilling can definitely be performed safely off of any of the coastal regions that have been surveyed. Where are drilling now that is safer? The middle east?lol.

And contrary to the belief that many republicans and non democrats seem to have, the environment is actually quite important... unless you don't live on Earth like I do. Steps are being take now to take care of our enviroment. There are many threads just on this board discussing different forms of clean energy, not just ethanol. For now, we need to drill and eliminate our dependence on foreign oil while other technology is developing.

By the way, I'm an Indepandent (at least that's the category people like me are pigeon holed into)
I think we will have ICE's for many years to come. There will just be alternatives. If you think about it, it wouldn't really be a good idea for us to all have plugins because of the demand that would create for nuclear energy. The more forms of energy we have, the more jobs there will be. It will be more difficult for a company to form a monopoly.
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Old 07-08-2008, 09:19 PM   #5
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As you know there are a ton of gloom and doom articles talking of the death of the camaro...over the current energy situation

And it sickens me that this can all be rectified quite easily...by drilling and raising the supply of oil...

If you have any pull at gm...you guys need to make a pr statement perhaps start commercials that basically

PRESSURE CONGRESS TO DILL FOR OIL DOMESTICALLY
Hold up here for a second. There really is a bigger issue that seems to be missed. Oil is a limited commodity. We know that. We also know that there are oil reserves waiting to be tapped, and I agree it is silly not to drill for them. However this is not like the oil crisis back in the 80’s where simply adding to supply will address the problem at hand. There is a whole new issue here that was not around back then, and in all honesty it is a far bigger issue than just drilling up in Alaska. You have two very large countries that are now really starting to head into their industrial revolution in the same way we did back in the 60’s. India and China. You have two very large population bases that are now starting to have the monetary base to be able to afford things like modern convinces, electric appliances (remember power plants need crude as well), increased consumer demands (anything plastic or synthetic is made in some form or another from refined crude oil. Tata is going to manufacturer a vehicle for $2,500 which puts it well within the means of millions of people in India, and everyone of those cars needs gasoline. So the bigger problem here is that demand has increased with supply and it will continue to increase with supply meaning that additional drilling will not bring the long term relief that everyone wants to believe it will. In fact if anything it will be necessary in the near future to keep prices stable at the elevated levels they are (and yes, I know traders at the NY board of trade where they trade crude oil, and yes speculators have inflated the price of a barrel of oil somewhere between $20 to $30 a barrel).

The real solution is going to be making the most out of what we have. The technology is already in place. Look at the DI V-6. 300HP and 25+MPG is just amazing. The LS3… 400+HP and 27MPG on the freeway (at least that is what my boss is getting in his C6). And this is a start. The next generation of these motors are only going to get better.

Chevydude… I am sorry if I sound like I am lecturing here, I really am not. I just want to share some of the macroeconomic issues here, and unfortunately I really don’t know of a better way to say it. What we have here really is a bigger problem than drilling alone can solve, although it will be a good start.
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Old 07-08-2008, 09:40 PM   #6
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I've found in life that many things that you don't personally due are never as easy as it seems. Now I don't work in the oil business, but I have researched it some to help me form my own opinions in regard to the current crises we are in. If we began taking the steps neccessary to extract oil now, we will not see any noticable increase in supply untill at least 10 years from now, and that's if everything goes ABSOLUTELY perfect. Additionally, it has not been proven that drilling can definitely be performed safely off of any of the coastal regions that have been surveyed. And contrary to the belief that many republicans and non democrats seem to have, the environment is actually quite important... unless you don't live on Earth like I do. Beyond that, we will run out of oil one day. Before that time comes we need to develop cleaner, more-efficient, renewable ways to get to work and back. In my heart I'll miss exhaust fumes as much as the rest of us here, but in my head I know it's the right thing to do.

By the way, I'm an Indepandent (at least that's the category people like me are pigeon holed into)
The fact is just by starting to drill will bring down the price of oil. Much of the huge raise in energy cost is due to speculators. I agree we need to move away from oil yes, we can make much better fuels form other things like the garbage we make every day, but we need a way to low the price at the pump now so that people can go to work and feed are economy. I wish we could but we cant switch over to other fuels over night, we can however give tax breaks to oil companies that install E85 pumps at their stations across the country. We have to give the big oil guys a reason to change from oil.
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Old 07-08-2008, 09:40 PM   #7
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there is no shortage of oil...we have more oil domestically than all of the middle east...we have at least 150-200 yrs of this commodity left...alternatives are fine but its not the governments role to create them let market forces do it

don't give me the liberal bunk that the mainstream media who is in the tank for the libs that we can't see it for 10 yrs...bullcrap using that same argument you might as well not go to school since you don't see the benefit for years...you might as well not start a business cuz you won't profit in years...give me a break with that argument

the same speculators that some are blaming for the high prices are the same speculators that would bring in an immediate downward trend in oil price...the way this commodity works if there is a 1% shift either above or below demand there is a 50% shift either up or down depending on whether we are under-supplied or over-supplied...the speculators just react to the supply and demand stats which right now the demand is increasing over the supply...

i don't expect fbod to comment in this thread due to the divisive political nature of the thread...but i know he agrees with me and so do many at gm

i apologize if i may have offended some its not my intent i just have strong beliefs

but gm making a fuss about this issue would start to bring mainstream press talking about it and people who usually don't pay attention to the news or current events which is a lot of the population demanding that we drill now...

We the people run this country! never forget that...and a voice like gm is also a part of us the people and a true representative of the freedom this country allows

PLEASE GM WE NEED YOUR VOICE IN THIS!!
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Old 07-08-2008, 10:02 PM   #8
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Well how about we drill Drill Drill and see if these guys in these articles are really as smart as they think they are. Common sense tells you that if we start drilling the the specualtors are going to have to concede that point that between going after more oil while at the same time going after new technologies for enery are going to reduce our need for oil over the years, thus the price should come tumbling down.
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Old 07-08-2008, 10:02 PM   #9
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This would not make the FBF proud. There has been too much politicizing of this board lately and I'm ashamed for having taken part in it. I believe that church and state should be seperated and like FBF always says I will KEEP THE FAITH and leave whatever our government is up too off of these hallowed forums.
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Old 07-08-2008, 10:05 PM   #10
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Hrmm...

Lets be irrational... Lets all use smaller vehicles, motorcycles, scooters, and umm walk/bus...

yea.. what was I thinking..

/sarcasm off

Just as a question what does everyone drive, and explain your reasoning for the expectation of cheap gas?

I'll start. I drive a 04 regular cab, shortbed, 2wd 4.7L V8 Ram. Why? Becuase I want to, so I have no right to complain about gas prices. Instead I have gotten my motorcycle license (and am still looking for one), and I car pool to work.

Who else wants to share?
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Old 07-08-2008, 10:24 PM   #11
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[QUOTE=diarmadhi;86544]
Just as a question what does everyone drive, and explain your reasoning for the expectation of cheap gas?
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That is a helluva question and I would like to know the answer as well...

Just remember things could be worse. I was traveling through London two months ago and the price of regular unleaded (87 octane) was 1.19 pounds per liter which when you do the exchange rate and convert to gallons equals $8.86 a gallon. Diesel clocked in at $9.83 a gallon.

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Old 07-08-2008, 10:41 PM   #12
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That is a helluva question and I would like to know the answer as well...

Just remember things could be worse. I was traveling through London two months ago and the price of regular unleaded (87 octane) was 1.19 pounds per liter which when you do the exchange rate and convert to gallons equals $8.86 a gallon. Diesel clocked in at $9.83 a gallon.
thats because of the hefty taxes in europe to fund their socialist univeral healthcare and other nanny state programs....

their gas they buy is like 90 cents cheaper than what we get it for before taxes because of our weaker dollar
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I'm quite sure that since they don't have to pay for health insurance that they have plenty of money to pay for the extra gas prices.
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Old 07-08-2008, 10:53 PM   #14
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This would not make the FBF proud. There has been too much politicizing of this board lately and I'm ashamed for having taken part in it. I believe that church and state should be seperated and like FBF always says I will KEEP THE FAITH and leave whatever our government is up too off of these hallowed forums.
to be honest i don't see the problem with having a debate here and now...especially with the current situation and how it might affect our beloved vehicle... i believe its extremely relevant...i still consider you guys my camaro brothers no matter what part of the political aisle you come from its never personal with me

come on this country was built on polarizing debates

we can't all run around trying to play politically correct and all agreeing with each other all the time...

bottom line somebody is right and somebody is wrong...both sides can't win this isn't the pee wee's where everybody gets a trophy this is real life
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