Automobile Magazine Camaro ZL1 Review

[radz28]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

Preaching to choir there Bear, I did alot of drag and street racing when I was much younger...I won't bore anyone about anecdotal knowledge or personal experience. I for one fully understand what favorable conditions can do for, or hinder a performance car from doing. My comments were directed about the time of year, weather conditions, and location of the "test". They should also test the car(s) under more optimal conditions which will give a fair balance between cold and warm operating, weather, and subsequent track conditions. The numbers will vary widely.

BINGO!!! I think it was more to sell magazines and ads than anything to run this test, because many of us will now spend more money with conditions are better for more representative testing. That's fine, and I'll spend the money, lol.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

the ZL1 was driven by a professional driver that ran a good time with the boss as well. The boss run was typical of what you see out of private owners so its safe to say the ZL1 will probably run what it did in private owners hands. Private owners are already running similar times and same or faster MPH's (trap speeds) as the ZL1 with the 2010-2011 550hp GT500's

And your arguement is that we can't trust the M/T 11/12 GT500 times, but we can trust the 12 ZL1 M/T times? Just trying to understand the SVTPerformance gangs take on this.

[2ndCamaro79]

Originally Posted by newmoon

And your arguement is that we can't trust the M/T 11/12 GT500 times, but we can trust the 12 ZL1 M/T times? Just trying to understand the SVTPerformance gangs take on this.

You will not win this argument just give your first born to the Ford gods.

[GoldenBear]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

They should also test the car(s) under more optimal conditions which will give a fair balance between cold and warm operating, weather, and subsequent track conditions. The numbers will vary widely.

Yes, and when comparing vehicles, which should be done at the same venue at the same time under the same conditions, what's really significant are the relative numbers of the vehicles rather than the absolute numbers of each vehicle, as those absolute numbers will vary from venue to venue, from day to day, depending on conditions.

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by GoldenBear

Yes, and when comparing vehicles, which should be done at the same venue at the same time under the same conditions, what's really significant are the relative numbers of the vehicles rather than the absolute numbers of each vehicle, as those absolute numbers will vary from venue to venue, from day to day, depending on conditions.

Exactly what I've been saying,The boss numbers provide a good gauge to judge the zl1s numbers.

[radz28]

Originally Posted by MauriSSio

Exactly what I've been saying,The boss numbers provide a good gauge to judge the zl1s numbers.

So... two completely different cars, on two different tires, weighing totally different is somehow something we can extrapolate from? I'm not seeing something...

[htron50]

Originally Posted by radz28

BINGO!!! I think it was more to sell magazines and ads than anything to run this test, because many of us will now spend more money with conditions are better for more representative testing. That's fine, and I'll spend the money, lol.

I think the bottom line (who wins) won't change much. Times will improve however for ZL1, and I PREDICT WE WILL SEE SOME STOCK ZL1's getting in the 11's. Especially the AUTOMATICS (not to make it an argument). It is just "DESIGNED WITH A PURPOSE IN MIND".... and that always helps!

I do have one question that I'd like to have answered.

GM TOUTS and ENCOURAGES DRAG racing and ROAD Course RACING. In some of the same commercials/ads they TOUT the warranty.

? Will GM void warranty's on those who they see testing their car, say at CFEST3? Will actually using the car for the purpose for which it was designed, be HELD AGAINST the owner? (Like taking down plate numbers or registration entries for the contests we participate in at Cfest).

[MauriSSio]

Originally Posted by radz28

So... two completely different cars, on two different tires, weighing totally different is somehow something we can extrapolate from? I'm not seeing something...

lets just clarify so that i understand what im responding to or if their is some misunderstanding. so the road racing results are valid and applicable to other tracks and okay to extrapolate but the 1/4 mile results arent??
the conditions were good and the boss 1/4 times show that he can at least run the quarter well enough, as well as typical drivers youd see on the net. why is it unsafe to say that the ZL1 times arent accurate? Im sure people will hit 11's and im sure people out there will see the boss numbers stay within 3 tenths or so of it as well. there will be people out there running a lil faster than these posted numbers in their ZL1's just as there are people out there running their Boss's faster (especially the boss trap speeds). (Being at elevation hurt the boss's power output more than the ZL1)

[IcePick06]

I think once the GT500 comes out and a test is done between the ZL1 and new Mustang we will see some better 1/4 mile and 0-60 times as the weather will be much warmer across the board and hopefully a track is chosen that has little to no wind. Still, for the $56k it's tough to find a car that will put up these type of performance #'s and that includes, vettes, M3's, and anything else relatively close to the MSRP of the ZL1.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by IcePick06

I think once the GT500 comes out and a test is done between the ZL1 and new Mustang we will see some better 1/4 mile and 0-60 times as the weather will be much warmer across the board and hopefully a track is chosen that has little to no wind. Still, for the $56k it's tough to find a car that will put up these type of performance #'s and that includes, vettes, M3's, and anything else relatively close to the MSRP of the ZL1.

And I think that's the main selling point.

Outstanding all-around performance for a Chevy price. It's the same idea they've got with the ZR1 Vette.

[Drake Heminger]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

And I think that's the main selling point.

Outstanding all-around performance for a Chevy price. It's the same idea they've got with the ZR1 Vette.

Dragoneye where the hell you been bro?!??! we miss you!

[Mr. Wyndham]

Oh....out and about. "Busy" doesn't even begin to cut it.

Hopefully I'll be back on regularly for a while...I was going through withdrawals..

[Drake Heminger]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

Oh....out and about. "Busy" doesn't even begin to cut it.

Hopefully I'll be back on regularly for a while...I was going through withdrawals..

haha i feel ya brother... im going to PM you i have a few questions thanks bro!

[kannon]

Picture 9 on this review shows the Performance Badge on the radiator cover. Are they bringing this back?