A Camaro SS is faster than a...

[L99CAMA2011]

Originally Posted by big hammer

cartek ran a 10 second pass with a heads\cam ls3.

Good my car goes 2 cartek.

[L99CAMA2011]

Originally Posted by big hammer

cartek ran a 10 second pass with a heads\cam ls3.

Good my car goes 2 cartek.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Grabber

First off, I wasn't the one that posted about any form or type of mod. I was speaking in STOCK form. I was pointing out MY list of mods. Actually, the 05 had limited options. My 07 GT has the Shaker 1K, Heated Seats, dual power, Active Anti-theft, Auto dim+Compass, My color, GT Appearance package, etc.

LMMFAO @ A S/C GT being a good race for a Stock SS. That was a great laugh, thanks for that.

A Bolt on 3V will beat a stock SS. An S/C 3V will do bad things to a stock SS.

Again, DO NOT put words in my mouth. I never said a STOCK 3V will BEAT a stock SS. I said it would be a good race, considering the times they are both Capable of running in the right hands. Bottom 13's for a Stock 3V, and high 12's for a stock SS.

I never put words in your mouth, I simply mistakened you for L99CAMA2011. To that I can apologize for.

However, a bone stock from the factory 3V is not running low 13s. It wouldn't be a good race at all because the Camaro will walk all over it. Look at it this way...the Coyote barely beats the SS, yet the Coyote will straight up demolish the 05-10 GT. So how you think the 3V vs the SS will somehow be a good race is beyond me. The LS# is directly compared to the Coyote...not the 3V. If the 3V was soo comparable to the SS then the Coyote wouldn't even exist.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by L99CAMA2011

After reading this I could be an ass but a true grown up would tell you to call CJ PONY and ask them the fastest runs with the first gen s197. Let's just say lots of bolt on Gen 5 SS don't see mid to high 11s enough said. A fully bolt on S197 will roast lots of SS with bolt ons on the strip it's a fact. There is a reason I got rid of my crappy L99. I see way too many SS with cams still bearly breaking into the 11s with out drag radials. You need to remember lighter cars don't need as much power and are generally quicker. Another example of a bolt on 1st gen S197 with no NOS or blower and the best cam I favored for that motor the 127500 comp cam ummmmm Um. http://www.dragtimes.com/Ford-Mustan...ip-10760.html.

Point is an 05-10 GT with slight bolt-ons will not beat a stock LS3. And your "crappy" L99 is still a better car than those GTs...stock for stock. So you call a car crappy and then downgrade to a slower car...?? And then you throw more money on the S197 and compare it to the L99? If you threw the money on the SS then it would've been faster than the Mustang with the same money in it. Well in that case I could trade my LS3 for a Charger R/t...and then I'll throw money on the Charger and talk about how much faster it is...

[Wvallediego]

My supercharged ford festiva is faster.....low curb weight., tesla is faster

There was a similar threat of Camaro Vs. ???? out there already........

[Coyotekiller]

Originally Posted by Grabber

I agree. Engine size still plays a large factor. If anything, 2V GTs were one of the worst mustangs compared to the 3V. They weighed less, and hp gains were terrible even with engine work or F/I applications.


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Yeah. My old 2v was weak. Made a nice rumble but that's about all it did. And it was supposedly fast for a 2v gt.

As for the 5.0 engine weight, there might be 20-30 lbs difference between that engine and the 4.6 3v

[Grabber]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I never put words in your mouth, I simply mistakened you for L99CAMA2011. To that I can apologize for.

However, a bone stock from the factory 3V is not running low 13s. It wouldn't be a good race at all because the Camaro will walk all over it. Look at it this way...the Coyote barely beats the SS, yet the Coyote will straight up demolish the 05-10 GT. So how you think the 3V vs the SS will somehow be a good race is beyond me. The LS# is directly compared to the Coyote...not the 3V. If the 3V was soo comparable to the SS then the Coyote wouldn't even exist.

If you would like me to prove you wrong, I'll have my friend send me his 13.3 and 13.4 timeslips of his bone stock 06 and 07 GTs. Evan smith also ran a 13.2 on more than one occasion. I can see te 13.2 being a hero run, but the fact doesn't change many people can run a stock 3V to 13.3-13.5 even in hot weather. Yes, the ls3 is 4-5 tenths faster based with its best times. It's also up over 100HP compared to the old 3V.

I still don't see how you feel a blown 3V is a good race for a stock SS.


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[big hammer]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I never put words in your mouth, I simply mistakened you for L99CAMA2011. To that I can apologize for.

However, a bone stock from the factory 3V is not running low 13s. It wouldn't be a good race at all because the Camaro will walk all over it. Look at it this way...the Coyote barely beats the SS, yet the Coyote will straight up demolish the 05-10 GT. So how you think the 3V vs the SS will somehow be a good race is beyond me. The LS# is directly compared to the Coyote...not the 3V. If the 3V was soo comparable to the SS then the Coyote wouldn't even exist.

you cant lump all ss camaros together. imo the ls3 is way faster than most l99's. bone stock my neighbours l99 ran around 13.8 @ 104. of course with a good tune it's totally different..

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Grabber

If you would like me to prove you wrong, I'll have my friend send me his 13.3 and 13.4 timeslips of his bone stock 06 and 07 GTs. Evan smith also ran a 13.2 on more than one occasion. I can see te 13.2 being a hero run, but the fact doesn't change many people can run a stock 3V to 13.3-13.5 even in hot weather. Yes, the ls3 is 4-5 tenths faster based with its best times. It's also up over 100HP compared to the old 3V.

I still don't see how you feel a blown 3V is a good race for a stock SS.


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The only thing a time slip would prove is that a car ran a specific time at a specific speed. It doesn't prove that the car was bone stock. For that matter, a time slip by itself doesn't even prove exactly what car ran the time.

And I didn't say that a blown 05-10 GT can't beat an LS3...of course a blown S197 should beat a stock SS all day. I was mentioning the differences between a "slight bolt-on" car vs a moderate to heavily modded car. And IMO a slightly modded 05-10 GT will still lose to an SS. Forced induction is in a totally different category as far as I'm concerned.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by big hammer

you cant lump all ss camaros together. imo the ls3 is way faster than most l99's. bone stock my neighbours l99 ran around 13.8 @ 104. of course with a good tune it's totally different..

In my replies I specified the LS3...not the L99. In my reply that you quoted I did mention the LS3 but I can see how I may have sounded a bit ambiguous...sorry for the confusion. But just to clear it up, I'm referring to the LS3.

[Grabber]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The only thing a time slip would prove is that a car ran a specific time at a specific speed. It doesn't prove that the car was bone stock. For that matter, a time slip by itself doesn't even prove exactly what car ran the time.

And I didn't say that a blown 05-10 GT can't beat an LS3...of course a blown S197 should beat a stock SS all day. I was mentioning the differences between a "slight bolt-on" car vs a moderate to heavily modded car. And IMO a slightly modded 05-10 GT will still lose to an SS. Forced induction is in a totally different category as far as I'm concerned.

Oh, you're one of those guys huh. Word of friendly advice, get out more dude. There are plenty of drivers out their that can take a car to it's full potential compared to an average driver on the road. I can say the same thing about any car ever produced running any type of a good time, but I am a realist, and I've seen these runs in person in many cars.

Sorry, I was just going back to where you were making those comparisons, and mentioned something along the lines of a Stock S197 is no match, and a heavily modified one would be a good race for a stock SS. Heavily modded = engine work or some form of F/I.

[Coyotekiller]

The better question is, why is an s197 owner on a camaro forum?

[Jamie Mac]

1972 Pinto

[Grabber]

Originally Posted by Coyotekiller

The better question is, why is an s197 owner on a camaro forum?

Haha. I'm an enthusiast and also love Camaros as much as any mustang or any other sports or pony car.


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