Which first gen. Camaro was top dog?

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Found some old stats, pretty close and notice the Z28's 1/4 MPH.

The 1967 Chevrolet Camaro Z28
Specifications
Wheelbase, inches: 108.1
Weight, lbs: 3,500
Number built: 602
Base price: $3,500
Standard Engine
Type: ohv V-8
Displacement, cid: 302
Fuel system: 1 x 4bbl.
Compression ratio: 11.0:1
Horsepower @ rpm: 290 @ 5800
Torque @ rpm: 290 @ 4200
Representative Performance
0-60 mph, sec: 6.9
1/4 mile, sec. @ mph: 14.85 @ 101

The 1967 Chevrolet Camaro SS 396
Specifications
Wheelbase, inches: 108.1
Weight, lbs: 3,720
Number built: NA
Base price: $3,046
Top Available Engine
Type: ohv V-8
Displacement, cid: 396
Fuel system: 1 x 4bbl.
Compression ratio: 11.0:1
Horsepower @ rpm: 375 @ 5600
Torque @ rpm: 415 @ 3600
Representative Performance
0-60 mph, sec: 6.5
1/4 mile, sec. @ mph: 14.5 @ 99

200lbs weight difference between the two yet the heavier SS posts a faster time in the 1/4 mile....

[2cnd chance]

Yes but that is part of what you pay for in a BB. Notice the MPH. The Top Dog is an all around performer not just a 1/4 mile triumph.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Yes but that is part of what you pay for in a BB. Notice the MPH. The Top Dog is an all around performer not just a 1/4 mile triumph.

Meh...

Faster 0-60
Faster 1/4 mile

Top speed doesn't mean a whole lot when you are still BEHIND me...and if it takes you longer to get there, who cares how fast you ran to get there.

And a 2mph faster time despite almost .3 slower isn't really anything to brag about.

I'd also be curious to note the gearing on those cars....

[n116ebo]

The thing I remember about the late 60's Z28'S were the solid lifters. You could hear those solid lifters chattering when she wound up. All the other cars were running hydraulic lifters and they were quiet.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Meh...

Faster 0-60
Faster 1/4 mile

Top speed doesn't mean a whole lot when you are still BEHIND me...and if it takes you longer to get there, who cares how fast you ran to get there.

And a 2mph faster time despite almost .3 slower isn't really anything to brag about.

I'd also be curious to note the gearing on those cars....

Wow, a 1/4 mile triumph by a few tenths... not that interested. Give me an "ALL" around performance machine! Noting the higher MPH means it's geared for a full track experience not just a 1/4 mile.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Wow, a 1/4 mile triumph by a few tenths... not that interested. Give me an "ALL" around performance machine! Noting the higher MPH means it's geared for a full track experience not just a 1/4 mile.

Yet you obviously overlooked the last part of my comment, as I'd like to know what gears were setup on the two. Gearing would make a much bigger impact on both cars....

However, in this instance, the 1/4 mile performance is what is being measured. I'd wager if you took both of those cars out on the road course, they'd be pretty even honestly...

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Yet you obviously overlooked the last part of my comment, as I'd like to know what gears were setup on the two. Gearing would make a much bigger impact on both cars....

However, in this instance, the 1/4 mile performance is what is being measured. I'd wager if you took both of those cars out on the road course, they'd be pretty even honestly...

From my post:
Noting the higher MPH means it's geared for a full track experience not just a 1/4 mile.

I bet not even close!!!

[wildpaws]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

Yet you obviously overlooked the last part of my comment, as I'd like to know what gears were setup on the two. Gearing would make a much bigger impact on both cars....

However, in this instance, the 1/4 mile performance is what is being measured. I'd wager if you took both of those cars out on the road course, they'd be pretty even honestly...

Not even close!! That 200 lbs or so of weight difference was all in the nose of the SS 396. It was my experience back in the day that many times SS396 and Z/28 were close in 1/4 mi performance, throw a few curves or a road course into the mix and all the SS396 saw was Z/28 tail lights.
Clyde

[2cnd chance]

Jack of all trades = Z28
Master of One(?) = SS396

Don't get me wrong I really do like the SS, however I will buy a Z28.

[JJPlace1]

This also reminds me of a good friend of mine back then Tim Trevathan who had the 69 model Z-28 with the 302 engine . I remember one night when we were not ourselves and he pegged it out( floored it on the interstate) . I looked over and the oil light had come on around 120 mph. Needless to say it was knocking pretty heavily after all the oil got pumped to the high ends .

[macalot]

I'm not sure what you are referencing when you say it knocked pretty heavily when all the oil was topside....It can't be the valvetrain....You do know that the 302 had solid lifters don't you?
I've ran my 302 to 7,000 rpm many many times, never had an oil issue.

[LOWDOWN]

The thought just occured to me that, "theoretically", the hands-down Top Dog Gen-1 Camaro should have been the COPO 9560 (ZL1-engined) Camaro with the COPO 9737 "Sports Car Conversion" package (Z/28-specific 13/16" front sway bar and E70/15 tires/wheels)...of which exactly TWO were built (#3, #69)...hardly an RPO-qualifying effort.

http://www.camaros.org/9560list.shtml

These two COPO 9560 cars should have been all-'round street terrors...Z/28 underpinnings...Z/28 Curb Weight (ZL1 engine = SBC in weight)...at least an extra 150 "real" hp. Trouble was, the ZL1 Camaros weren't "eligible" for any mass-audience race series involving corners...unless you count the one at the end of the strip... Woulda made fantastic drift cars...if such an event was present/known, then.

[2cnd chance]

^I want a Gen5 version of that!!!

[LOWDOWN]

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