02-01-2024, 09:10 AM | #1625 | |
Drives: 2000 WS6 Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: AZ
Posts: 438
|
Quote:
"To some extent, running through tires quickly may offset the reduction of damaging emissions that EVs offer. Some studies have shown that tires actually have more particle pollution than exhaust, 2,000 times as much." https://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...284533695.html |
|
02-03-2024, 10:37 AM | #1626 | |
Drives: 2000 WS6 Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: AZ
Posts: 438
|
Quote:
Yeah, but... TESLA foam-finger #1!! Just look at this sales chart from when things were still trending upward!!! This is just oil cartel misinformation from a right wing news outlet! Seriously, though, good find. The article offers a good summary describing where things are at now. Interesting comments section, too, for anyone interested. And, I can agree with this, despite probably being considered an EV hater by some: "There is nothing wrong with EVs themselves. They are often great as run-arounds for dense urban environments, and as long as the raw materials are sourced correctly, and the chargers are not powered by coal-burning generators, they are probably a little better for the environment than the petrol version." ...again, leaving out that green energy sources are more expensive and less reliable, and "properly sourced materials" are also more expensive and harder to find. Generally speaking, even if you are convinced CO2 is pollution, EVs won't solve anything. If you're an early adopter, God bless you, and good luck with your re-sale value. My advice is still to wait another 4-5 years. Let the dust settle. Wait for solid state batteries, hydrogen, hybrids, or whatever comes next. I don't think what comes next will be an iterative evolution of existing EVs, more like a paradigm shift or a reversion. And yes, EVs will still have a share of the market, no doubt. Just nowhere near the projections. |
|
02-03-2024, 12:07 PM | #1627 |
Drives: 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Western North Carolina
Posts: 7,185
|
The Telegraph is a UK news outlet so you can't use US terms to describe their political stance. Yes they support UK Conservative views, but you need to understand the typical UK Conservative is more left than the left leaning US Democrat. When Googling trying to find comparisons between the two, it seems that UK citizens consider the typical US Democrat to be a right leaning UK Conservative.
|
02-03-2024, 12:16 PM | #1628 |
Drives: multiple cars Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 475
|
This is behind a paywall. Posting for others that might want to search around for the scoop from their sources.
https://www.autonews.com/retail/ev-b...rop-california "EV sales start to fall in California, an industry bellwether" "Consecutive quarters of falling EV sales could derail state's zero-emission vehicle transition target." |
02-03-2024, 12:18 PM | #1629 | |
Drives: 2000 WS6 Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: AZ
Posts: 438
|
Quote:
|
|
02-05-2024, 05:45 AM | #1630 | ||
Drives: 2015 Z28 Join Date: Feb 2022
Location: Cambridge UK
Posts: 129
|
Quote:
You actually quoted it yourself in post 1726 Theres no way that a vehicle using 100% solar energy to move around pollutes more than a car using 100% fossil fuels ....... and claiming that your travel costs would be higher if the energy was free sounds like something out of a comedy routine. You dont like Electric cars but you arent really sure why so you grasp at straws, sometimes non existent straws. Dont worry about it, lots of people are in the same boat but it does seem rather counterintuitive trying to argue with a guy that actually runs 3 EVs in a country thats embracing the technology and its benefits. Quote:
|
||
02-06-2024, 03:55 AM | #1631 |
Drives: 2015 Z28 Join Date: Feb 2022
Location: Cambridge UK
Posts: 129
|
This insistence that Im somehow lying by providing actual, realtime power generation numbers is getting a bit tired now.
Ive made a couple of posts around 0930 where its been more than 50% clean energy, its now 1000 GMT and 14.4% is fossil fuels. If you look a bit further down fossil fuels only generated 11.6% in the last 24 hours. In the middle of winter. In the UK. Actually, Ill save you the time: For your other example Im not even going to get into the maths, but 85mph average speed for 13 hours carrying 250lb isnt your average drive, is it? Factoring in cost of hotel room and meals because 13 hours becomes 15 isnt going to be the calculation most owners will do before purchase, by your workings anything <11 hours would take longer but cost less. Last edited by docwra; 02-06-2024 at 04:18 AM. |
02-06-2024, 09:18 AM | #1632 | |
Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado Join Date: May 2009
Location: Jefferson City, Missouri
Posts: 13,943
|
Quote:
But it highlights exactly why most people that have (or haven't) considered an EV and then ultimately decided against it. Why add time, stress, and additional planning to your trips? I can say with 100% certainty that if we had a full EV right now, I'd also have to have either an ICE or a hybrid to back it up. Why? Because I don't want to have to deal with any of that above crap when I need to go on a trip, or leave in an emergency, or whatever life throws at you. Cost is also an up-front factor. Government incentives help of course, but there is no question, that when you compare pretty much any class of EV, to it's comparable ICE counterpart, the ICE is easily in the range of 5 to 10 grand cheaper or more. Sorry again if our views don't fit yours. That's just the way it is. Now...PHEVs. Those make sense for nearly everyone who can afford a new vehicle. It's actually the best way to reduce emissions quickly (because LOTS more people would go for them). It's what car makers and the government should be striving for in the meantime if reducing emissions is the goal.
__________________
2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties
2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!) |
|
02-06-2024, 10:45 AM | #1633 | ||
Retired from GM
Drives: 2017 Camaro Fifty SS Convertible Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Detroit
Posts: 5,246
|
Quote:
Quote:
The problem has been, there are not many fully functional PHEVs on the market. Toyota has been changing that and, depending on what GM comes back to market with, they may be able to do that too. What do I mean by fully functional? Easier to offer an example of what ISN’T fully functional. The 1st generation Prius Prime had an 8.8kWh battery and could do at most 25 miles on electric before turning on the ICE. Also, there was a top EV speed set, though I don’t remember what that was. Something in the 40 - 60 mph range. If someone remembers please feel free to drop that in here. By contrast, the Chevrolet Volt had an 18.1 kWh battery, a 53 mile range, and could drive engine off all the way to its electronically limited top speed of 99 mph. Today Toyota has upped their game on PHEVs and offer them almost across the board. The Prius Prime gets a much more respectable 44 EV miles per full charge. Battery size is increased to 10.9 kWh. I’m not sure if it is speed limited like the 1st gen. The RAV4 Prime is the highest performance and highest price trim in the lineup and they have trouble keeping them in stock. The biggest issue with PHEVs is from the manufacturer’s side. They have to engineer two fully functional drivetrains into the vehicle and that drives a lot of cost and complexity. That is probably the single reason we have not seen more PHEV products in the market. That, and the battery size (10+ kWh vs under 2 kWh for hybrids) make it more difficult to package, sometimes resulting in compromises elsewhere in the vehicles.
__________________
2017 CAMARO FIFTY SS CONVERTIBLE
A8 | MRC | NPP | Nav | HUD | GM Performance CAI | Tony Mamo LT1 V2 Ported TB | Kooks 1-7/8” LT Headers | FlexFuel Tune | Thinkware Q800 Pro front and rear dash cam | Charcoal Tint for Taillights and 3rd Brakelight | Orange and Carbon Fiber Bowties | 1LE Wheels in Gunmetal Gray | Carbon Fiber Interior Overlays | Novistretch bra and mirror covers | Tow hitch for bicycle rack | |
||
02-06-2024, 12:33 PM | #1634 | |
Drives: Iron Lung, Jimmy Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 1,450
|
Quote:
|
|
02-06-2024, 12:39 PM | #1635 | |
Drives: Iron Lung, Jimmy Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Louisiana
Posts: 1,450
|
Quote:
|
|
02-06-2024, 09:28 PM | #1636 | |
1st Civ. Div.
Drives: Camaroless for now...RIP "Big SexZ" Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Savannah, Ga
Posts: 2,726
|
Quote:
__________________
Swift....Silent....Deadly
|
|
02-06-2024, 09:52 PM | #1637 | |
Retired from GM
Drives: 2017 Camaro Fifty SS Convertible Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Detroit
Posts: 5,246
|
Quote:
__________________
2017 CAMARO FIFTY SS CONVERTIBLE
A8 | MRC | NPP | Nav | HUD | GM Performance CAI | Tony Mamo LT1 V2 Ported TB | Kooks 1-7/8” LT Headers | FlexFuel Tune | Thinkware Q800 Pro front and rear dash cam | Charcoal Tint for Taillights and 3rd Brakelight | Orange and Carbon Fiber Bowties | 1LE Wheels in Gunmetal Gray | Carbon Fiber Interior Overlays | Novistretch bra and mirror covers | Tow hitch for bicycle rack | |
|
02-06-2024, 10:25 PM | #1638 | |||||
1st Civ. Div.
Drives: Camaroless for now...RIP "Big SexZ" Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Savannah, Ga
Posts: 2,726
|
Quote:
https://www.motortrend.com/features/...rid-tech-dive/ Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
Swift....Silent....Deadly
Last edited by RLHMARINES; 02-06-2024 at 11:21 PM. |
|||||
|
|