V6 Questions I'd Like Answered

[Hylton]

I love the current 3.6 as well BUT unlike the V8, I don't think we've seen the best version yet. I believe GM will continue to further develop the V6 for both efficiency and performance.

[Miamimatt]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

In my efforts to justify the idea of getting a V6, I have had no trouble finding reasons to fall in love with the LLT. I do, however, have questions that would make a lot of V6 owners happy to know about their Camaros.

Can we put those V8 Brembos on the V6? I want big brakes.

How hard can we push the transmission? If I manage to build a 450-hp V6, I want to know that my 6-speed auto or manual will survive.

Does the V8 transmission fit? The easiest way to reconcile V6 transmission problems is to install a comparable transmission. I want to know what it will take to bolt on a new transmission.

How hard can we push the 3.6L DI VVT V6? The internals are strong, but how strong are they? Can I inject a 250-shot of nitrous oxide or slap on a supercharger with low or high pressure? What pressure are we talking? There are lots of questions, but I'm basically seeking a breakdown of what parts need upgrades at what amount of horsepower.

Who is already confirmed as making aftermarket parts? This isn't even my question, but the concern is that the V6 aftermarket isn't big yet, so I'm hoping that an answer to this will alleviate some fears.

How is it attached? In other words, if I wanted to attach another engine in the engine bay, what will bolt up? For those who want to keep their cars after a few years of driving, can we swap a V8 into it? How different is the V6 engine bay from the V8 engine bay? For this question to be answered, photos of every engine and transmission mount on the V6 and V8 may be necessary.

Can the V6 suspension be replaced with the V8 suspension? For those who want to make any future SS clones, this is a vital question. Also, those who have concerns about running with the Cobalt SS may want to know that they can upgrade to the supreme suspension that made great time on the Nurburgring.

How hard is the dash to upgrade? If I want to put in a different speedometer, I want to know that I can. I'm not saying that I would do it because that is about the most worthless mod out there, but some people like the appearance of aftermarket gauges in the dash.

Can I plug in my iPod? The C&C package is nice, but I want to see about aftermarket compatibility with a unit that can be wired to the glove box instead of the main cabin of the car. I just like the idea of not having my iPod on display when I leave the car. This question applies to both V6 and V8 owners' cars.

Can I see the back of the head unit? This applies to V8s, too. We need some definitive answers about pre-outs, wiring, and how we're going to install audio upgrades. It would be nice to know what kind of a wiring mess we're going to have before we send our cars to Prosound, Car Toyz, or Best Buy for modification. Will we be waiting an hour or a day? How much is wired through that radio? Will I have to wait six months for Scosche to make a wiring harness that costs $120?

How hard is the computer going to be to tune? Will I have to wait for HPTuners to make a tune in the next three years, instead relying on piggy-back programs, like 2.2L Cobalt owners did from 2005 until 2008 or will the ECM and PCM be the same ones used in other cars? Part numbers and evidence will be necessary to answer this question. This is a great opportunity for any trolling parts dealers and tuning companies to announce their upcoming products.

Is GM working on performance upgrades that compete with Ford? Let's not forget that Ford has supercharger kits for the Mustang GT that would allow it to easily beat the Camaro SS at the track. I'd like to know that the Camaro LS is going to have more support than the Mustang GT from the manufacturer. It's a show of customer support, and it does make a difference. Let's also not forget that GM just released a new LNF tune that makes the turbo-4 even more impressive than it already was. I'd like to see some aggressive LLT tuning to show off GM's high-technology V6 as both a testament to efficiency and a testament to V6 power.

I'm sure there are more questions, but these are the hard ones that are going to make V6s more justifiable for those who haven't committed to one yet. The right answers to these questions will lead to a stronger V6 community with enthusiasm to boot. These are not specifically concerns of mine, but they are concerns that I've seen by enthusiasts, and it doesn't hurt to have some answers. I'm know around here for supporting GM, so I have lots of confidence that GM experts will have some very good answers for these questions. Those who happen to know the answers are more than welcome to answer, but answer with facts, pictures, and numbers rather than speculation about flying Z28s running on Mr. Fusion.

Honestly unless you want a crazy sleeper v6 with all the things you asked i would just get the V8

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by Miamimatt

Honestly unless you want a crazy sleeper v6 with all the things you asked i would just get the V8

Hey - read the thread. He wasn't saying he wanted all those things, but that he could see people wanted 1-2 or maybe 2-3 of those things. Thus, he was asking for all potential V6 buyers, not just himself.

Personally, I think the LLT is far from its potential. The block is even designed to support up to 4.0L - so you could always bore it over. I personally wouldn't run FI without lowering the CR (and will be lowering the CR when I do convert to FI) but I think it would be possible as long as you keep the boost low.















Oh, and by the way. I do want a crazy sleeper V6.
- Xanthos

[stovt001]

I'm really considering getting the V6. Better brakes and suspension mods should be no problem at all, and that's primarily what I'm going for. And I wouldn't mind not having the V8 because 426 hp is more than what is necessary for the kind of fun I want to have. Sure, more is better, but it comes at a pretty high cost. Unfortunately, this is where the V6 hits a snag. 300 hp is great for a V6, but it is still a little lower than I want, especially for a car this big and heavy. We know the LLT responds very well to mods, and I don't think it would be hard at all to get it to around 350 hp, which would be just fine for me. Unfortunately, in the People's Republic of California it is practically illegal to alter your engine in any way, and its looking to get even worse. And if I must remain stock, 300 hp just isn't going to do it for me. I'll have to go for the V8 and 426 hp. Now think about that for a moment: our environmental regulations discouraged me from a smaller, vastly more efficient (27 mpg FTW!) engine in favor of the larger, thirstier V8. No wonder our state is going bankrupt. We need serious help.

[Xanthos]

Originally Posted by stovt001

I'm really considering getting the V6. Better brakes and suspension mods should be no problem at all, and that's primarily what I'm going for. And I wouldn't mind not having the V8 because 426 hp is more than what is necessary for the kind of fun I want to have. Sure, more is better, but it comes at a pretty high cost. Unfortunately, this is where the V6 hits a snag. 300 hp is great for a V6, but it is still a little lower than I want, especially for a car this big and heavy. We know the LLT responds very well to mods, and I don't think it would be hard at all to get it to around 350 hp, which would be just fine for me. Unfortunately, in the People's Republic of California it is practically illegal to alter your engine in any way, and its looking to get even worse. And if I must remain stock, 300 hp just isn't going to do it for me. I'll have to go for the V8 and 426 hp. Now think about that for a moment: our environmental regulations discouraged me from a smaller, vastly more efficient (27 mpg FTW!) engine in favor of the larger, thirstier V8. No wonder our state is going bankrupt. We need serious help.

Quote for truth.
- Xanthos

[manimsoblack]

Originally Posted by stovt001

I'm really considering getting the V6. Better brakes and suspension mods should be no problem at all, and that's primarily what I'm going for. And I wouldn't mind not having the V8 because 426 hp is more than what is necessary for the kind of fun I want to have. Sure, more is better, but it comes at a pretty high cost. Unfortunately, this is where the V6 hits a snag. 300 hp is great for a V6, but it is still a little lower than I want, especially for a car this big and heavy. We know the LLT responds very well to mods, and I don't think it would be hard at all to get it to around 350 hp, which would be just fine for me. Unfortunately, in the People's Republic of California it is practically illegal to alter your engine in any way, and its looking to get even worse. And if I must remain stock, 300 hp just isn't going to do it for me. I'll have to go for the V8 and 426 hp. Now think about that for a moment: our environmental regulations discouraged me from a smaller, vastly more efficient (27 mpg FTW!) engine in favor of the larger, thirstier V8. No wonder our state is going bankrupt. We need serious help.

Eh i see Cali collapsing within itself due to it's own stupidity. I understand how a country can be in debt to other countries but who does a state owe money to? Next thing you know cali will be owned by China.

Also I too am interested it the prospect of a badass sleeper V6. I wish GMPP would come out with a FI (preferably turboed) version of it that works with the V8 tranny.

[Milk 1027]

Originally Posted by manimsoblack

Eh i see Cali collapsing within itself due to it's own stupidity. I understand how a country can be in debt to other countries but who does a state owe money to? Next thing you know cali will be owned by China.

Also I too am interested it the prospect of a badass sleeper V6. I wish GMPP would come out with a FI (preferably turboed) version of it that works with the V8 tranny.

It's not the state's fault.
Everything was fine until the Governator showed up.

[stovt001]

Originally Posted by Milk 1027

It's not the state's fault.
Everything was fine until the Governator showed up.

Very much not the case. He came to power just because we grew so fed up with the utter incompetence of the previous governor we kicked him out and opened up the running to absolutely anyone interested, including actors and porn stars. California has been mismanaged for a long, long time. And what we do, the feds follow shortly. Good luck.

[Moth]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

It's the now-later dichotomy. If I get the V6 now and love it, then I can take my time to make it better. If I save up forever, I can buy a car company and drive what I want. Ultimately, I'd like to have a ridiculously fast Chevy. It doesn't matter to me whether it rocks a V8 or a V6 as long as it beats other cars that I'll commonly see on the street or at the track. If it is a V6, it will need some serious modification over time, but, until I get that completed, I can still drive around in the car that has the most horsepower of any car I've driven. I'll love it whether I have it with 400 horsepower in 2010 or in 2014. Until it gets there, it'll still be my Chevy.
:seesaw:

Well said

[FISHTAIL]

Dude Just get the freaking V8 and be done with it. Sounds like your car will always be a work in progress and if you ever get done you'll end up with Frankenstein.

Spare yourself and the Camaro all the time, money and aggravation.

Get the V8!

[Venom40k]

Originally Posted by The_Blur

These are not specifically concerns of mine, but they are concerns that I've seen by enthusiasts, and it doesn't hurt to have some answers.

For the love of gawd ppl, the whole "get the V-8 over the V-6 if you even get a slight itch in your mind about upgrades" gets annoying. He is just asking questions and "Get a V-8" certainly is not a answer that belongs in this thread.

[ckaram]

Guys check it out the thread is from March before today's comment...

[mike25]

the tranny and motor are fine. they will handle 450-500hp stock. as for the brakes....same bolt pattern etc so yes it will work. you just have to rig up a way to hook up the brake line to the rotor, i.e. rig up some kind of fitting, and the brake peddle will have a completely different feel

[Quackaddict]

as far as what will fit they just put a corvette 427 in one her in Dallas, search for ADM!!