Fouth Gen Camaro vs. Subaru STi

[MrCool]

Originally Posted by blaSSt

...Camaro is destroyed off the line. (There's another relative term.)...

Ok, I'll accept that maby you will need a few extra $$$ for a car that is over a decade older than the STi.

[MrCool]

Originally Posted by CamaroSpike23

where was it rebuilt at? do you know what all they did to it? new rings? bearings? line hone? etc? jw.

Well, because we don't exactly have a shop (and because it's automatic), he just went to a mechanic and asked for a full rebuild. So, if he did as he was paid to, evrerthing. But other than, the optispark we are replacing, it's running fine.

[blaSSt]

Originally Posted by MrCool

But I know there is one thing a ricer or any European car WILL NEVER be able to do as good as a Camaro straight from the dealer, IN THEIR DREAMS:

ROTFLMAO

I bet you think that was a "straight from the dealer" LT1.

I say race the guy, right now, just as you are. Be sure and video it and bring it back here.

While you're at it go pick on a few European cars like:

[MrCool]

I'm not an idot, I know they weren't stock the hood obvioiusly, but lets see a lambourgini do a burout better than a Camaro...videotape that for me why don't you...

[MrCool]

Originally Posted by MrCool

Ok, I'll accept that maby you will need a few extra $$$ for a car that is over a decade older than the STi.

Plus, I never said my LT1 would beat a European car at racing...I said it would do a burout better than a European or a ricer.


Maby I need to write it more clearly for you next time...my apoligies, didn't know I had to be that specific.

[MrCool]

Originally Posted by blaSSt

ROTFLMAO

I bet you think that was a "straight from the dealer" LT1.

I say race the guy, right now, just as you are. Be sure and video it and bring it back here.

While you're at it go pick on a few European cars like:

Besides if a Camaro is so slow for you, why don't you buy a European car, I bet you can buy SOMETHING for the amount you sell your SS for.

[Sharpe]

You have an LT1. Get used to smack talk. The only good LT1 is a highly modified one. Loved mine, but got rid of it for an LS1 as soon as I could.

Get you some Loyd Elliot heads and bumpy cam, headers into true duals, built tranny/nasty high stall, and a 9" with full suspension, and some good drag radials. Then, you start taking people's money. Add spray and you're taking $100's every weekend in the city if you play it right.

[blaSSt]

Originally Posted by MrCool

I'm not an idot, I know they weren't stock the hood obvioiusly, but lets see a lambourgini do a burout better than a Camaro...videotape that for me why don't you...

Different style but a pretty awesome burnout, highly likely a stock one too, Better than any straight from the dealer LT1 burnout I've ever seen.

Originally Posted by MrCool

Ok, I'll accept that maby you will need a few extra $$$ for a car that is over a decade older than the STi.

Has nothing to do with age. The LT1 Camaro was not ever capable of hanging with an STI. That Camaro wasn't designed to do it. The Blur's $4K assessment is about right.

Originally Posted by MrCool

Besides if a Camaro is so slow for you, why don't you buy a European car, I bet you can buy SOMETHING for the amount you sell your SS for.

My Camaro (an LS1) was designed on a level that hangs close to an STI. Now it will destroy 99% of the STI's on the road. It's my Trailblazer that only hangs with them. (and destroys stock LT1 cars )

[MrCool]

Alright, I'm willing to give in...
So from what you're saying, the LT1 was pretty much a worthless car for it's price compared the the STi and pretty much in general.

It pretty much boils down to what car you like better.

Personally, I'm willing to put the extra $$$ into an LT1. Thanks for the thoughts and the facts...

[MrCool]

Originally Posted by Sharpe

Get you some Loyd Elliot heads and bumpy cam, headers into true duals, built tranny/nasty high stall, and a 9" with full suspension, and some good drag radials. Then, you start taking people's money. Add spray and you're taking $100's every weekend in the city if you play it right.

What is a "bumpy" cam. I know what a camshaft is, what does "bumpy" denote?

[blaSSt]

Originally Posted by MrCool

Alright, I'm willing to give in...
So from what you're saying, the LT1 was pretty much a worthless car for it's price compared the the STi and pretty much in general.

It pretty much boils down to what car you like better.

Personally, I'm willing to put the extra $$$ into an LT1. Thanks for the thoughts and the facts...

I NEVER said that and I would disagree with anyone who did. I have stated what a stock LT1 is designed to do and what a stock STI is designed to do.

The Camaro was a little more than half of what the early STI's went for. ($17,000 in 1994 for a Z28, $31,000 for a STI) The Camaro is/was a very respectable package and a good value.

Let's go back to your original question:

Originally Posted by MrCool

Which one is faster? Because when I go on youtube, all I see is Fourth Gen Camaro's beating the hell out of some modded STi. What'll happen is that the STi will get the better launch, but in no time at all the Camaro will catch up and pass it.

Stock for stock, will an STi beat a Camaro? If not, what'll it take to beat one I wonder?

Plain and simple the STI wins in all performance categoties. That is fact shown many ways.

Every time that is demonstrated, you change the parameters....who does the better burnout....for the price....

I prefer the styling of the Camaro. Best of luck with the build.

[MrCool]

Originally Posted by blaSSt

Every time that is demonstrated, you change the parameters....who does the better burnout....for the price....

I prefer the styling of the Camaro. Best of luck with the build.

I know, I just couldn't help myself to try to make that argument...

Thanks, I do look forward to working on it.

[CamaroSpike23]

Originally Posted by Sharpe

You have an LT1. Get used to smack talk. The only good LT1 is a highly modified one. Loved mine, but got rid of it for an LS1 as soon as I could.

Get you some Loyd Elliot heads and bumpy cam, headers into true duals, built tranny/nasty high stall, and a 9" with full suspension, and some good drag radials. Then, you start taking people's money. Add spray and you're taking $100's every weekend in the city if you play it right.

go with AI heads. def get the trans built with a good stall converter and trans cooler. if you are going all out, get a Strange S60 rear over a 9". but there are ways to beef up the stock 10 bolt for a lot less than you'll spend on an aftermarket rear. spray if you want.

Originally Posted by MrCool

Alright, I'm willing to give in...
So from what you're saying, the LT1 was pretty much a worthless car for it's price compared the the STi and pretty much in general.

It pretty much boils down to what car you like better.

pretty much. getting a decently performing vehicle for half the price new is nothing to shake a stick at. (i dont know what STI's went for, but ill take Blasst's numbers --$17,000 in 1994 for a Z28, $31,000 for a STI)

kinda like the 2010 SS vs GT500 setup. yeah, ur getting a better performer, but at a higher price. for the same amount of money, you can make the cheaper car faster. (in most cases)

Originally Posted by MrCool

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Personally, I'm willing to put the extra $$$ into an LT1. Thanks for the thoughts and the facts...

let me know when you are ready to do some modding.

Originally Posted by MrCool

What is a "bumpy" cam. I know what a camshaft is, what does "bumpy" denote?

I would imagine that he is meaning a lopey cam. which (no offense to Sharpe), isnt always the best for your car depending on your goals.

most people like the sound of a lopey cam. but a lot of people also care more about the sound of their car than the actual performance and would rather have a mean sounding car than a truly mean car.

[MrCool]

Right now, I'm going through the process of getting my DL and saving up my dough . So as of now, I'm just reading up on the car, and different mods you can do to it.