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Whos_Drivin · 07-29-2014, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

[QUOTE =MEDISIN;7849621]The operative words being "we've been told". Interesting that no one else has validated 11.2 sec ET, no time slip ever surfaced, no vbox data from the PIR track days, no verified 200+mph top speed. All we see is Dodge marketing "believe us" claims to drive pre-orders. Perhaps all these things are easily accomplished but it would be nice to see some actual production cars in the hands of independent reviewers.

Dodge cited the NHRA as having validated both passes. Rest assured that if they had lied about that the NHRA would have made it very known by now.

The PIR runs were not instrumented and the drag tests were done on an unprepared asphalt surface.[/QUOTE]

Has anyone found a definition of what NHRA certified means? Is it verified by third party, or adjusted for DA, or something else? Things like SAE certfied are well defined, but I've never seen what NHRA certfied really means.

shaffe · 07-29-2014, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

I'm not so sure about that yet. How far apart are those stop lights?

Burnout king. Yes! Plus, you can always mod it and do even longer burnouts.

haha touche sir

4VFTW · 07-29-2014, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MEDISIN

What did the Ford run on the VHT prepped drag strip?

the 11.25@128 and 11.38@127 were in negative D/A for the record

HEMI DAVE · 07-29-2014, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MEDISIN

That's disappointing.

What about the 11.2-second quarter-mile time that Dodge has been trumpeting to the world? Well, half a second (11.7 seconds versus 11.2) is the difference between a prepped VHT surface and the street. All Motor Trend testing is done on asphalt, while Dodge got its big number on the strip.

Looking at other MotorTrend reviews "on asphalt" for comparison:

GT500: 0-60, 3.8sec; 1/4mile 11.6 @ 125.7mph; 3871lbs - Manual
Hellcat: 0-60, 3.7sec; 1/4mile 11.7 @ 125.4mph; 4449lbs - Automatic
ZL1: 0-60, 3.8sec; 1/4mile 12.1 @ 117.4mph; 4051lbs - Manual

So a manual GT500 is still faster than an automatic Hellcat, and it costs $5,000 less? I'm confused!? I thought the AutoCat was going to obliterate the Ford in a straight line? What did the Ford run on the VHT prepped drag strip?

So Motor Trend puts out some numbers and that's the end of it?....LMAO

Different day...driver....etc...etc....too many variables to go making conclusions....You know Edmunds say they got 11.4 right?????

They had to start the Auto kitty in second gear??....Whats that?....lol....Driver mod needed maybe??

...and what will the manual Kitty run??.....At least they can start that in 1st gear hopefully......I wanna know what it runs because there are no numbers for it at all......ZIPPO.....

We need a put up or shut up head to head.....

....I want a stock 662HP GT500...on a prepped drag strip...I am sure it's been done already....but I want the stock Hellcat there also... stick and auto....same time....pro drivers......

Throw a CTSV in there too...for $hits and giggles......and a damn ZL1....yeah...

Then lets road course all 4 of these mothers...."F" yeah!!!!!

Roadie these till someone hits the damn wall....WOW!!!! You feel your heart beating....sweat on your head....YES!!!!

....No more arm chair BS....RUN THESE B!TCHES....HELL YEAH......

Ok...I feel better now

BaylorCamaro · 07-29-2014, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by HEMI DAVE

....I want a stock 662HP GT500...on a prepped drag strip...I am sure it's been done already....but I want the stock Hellcat there also... stick and auto....same time....pro drivers......

Throw a CTSV in there too...for $hits and giggles......and a damn ZL1....yeah...

Then lets road course all 4 of these mothers...."F" yeah!!!!!

....No more arm chair BS....RUN THESE B!TCHES....HELL YEAH......

Ok...I feel better now

newmoon · 07-29-2014, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 4VFTW

the 11.25@128 and 11.38@127 were in negative D/A for the record

The interesting thing about this chart is that after 2+ years of owners pushing these stock 500s nobody has come close to the single 11:25 pass. I’m not saying it didn’t happen but with hundreds if not thousands of passes since then and nobody can come close? The real numbers seem to be in the 11:70s-12:00s range, which from everything I read is about the normal times for the car.
We will see where the Hellcat shows up when it hits the streets and local strips but I suspect its 100% stock fast list will be much more impressive than this one.

SpeedIsLife · 07-29-2014, 02:15 PM

NHRA certification means that the vehicle was stock, or with Stated modifications on a properly calibrated timing system. At least one NHRA official had to be present.

SpeedIsLife · 07-29-2014, 02:16 PM

Stated modifications= the 10.8 on DR'S

DanSS24 · 07-29-2014, 02:22 PM

Unreal...and now it's announced that the Viper will only get a 5 horsepower increase. So what is Dodge's strategy now? 5 horsepower isn't that much at all and what makes it worse is that it's still 5 horsepower short of the Z06 rating. I just find this weird, but at the same time....great for the Charger Hellcat and horsepower fanatics, lunatics and people like me!

Obzen · 07-29-2014, 02:48 PM

We need a over under on how long before someone wrecks one leaving a car meet.

SpeedIsLife · 07-29-2014, 02:54 PM

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We need a over under on how long before someone wrecks one leaving a car meet.

realistically and honestly? About 4 days

DanSS24 · 07-29-2014, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Obzen

We need a over under on how long before someone wrecks one leaving a car meet.

Or even the dealer lot. It has happened before, when the SRT Challenger first came out.

Obzen · 07-29-2014, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

realistically and honestly? About 4 days

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Originally Posted by DanSS24

Or even the dealer lot. It has happened before, when the SRT Challenger first came out.

That's very true, or better yet. During a test drive.

hotlap · 07-29-2014, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

Stated modifications= the 10.8 on DR'S

I struggle to understand Dodge's claim for a few reasons...

1) Edmunds test the 2013 Corvette ZR1 with 5.2 lb/HP and ran 11.5s @ 126.1 with 0 to 60 MPH of 3.6 sec.

How does the Hellcat run 11.2s with 0 to 60 of 3.5s with 6.2 lb/HP?

2) I saw someone post a theoretical ET calculation for the Hellcat based on weight and power. Calc says Hellcat is 10.7s but the same calc says ZL1 is 11.2s.

The ZL1 is nowhere near 11.2s so how does the Hellcat run 10.85?

07-29-2014, 02:22 PM	#1479
DanSS24 Drives: Dream Cars in my head Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: 808 Posts: 1,290	Unreal...and now it's announced that the Viper will only get a 5 horsepower increase. So what is Dodge's strategy now? 5 horsepower isn't that much at all and what makes it worse is that it's still 5 horsepower short of the Z06 rating. I just find this weird, but at the same time....great for the Charger Hellcat and horsepower fanatics, lunatics and people like me! __________________ Wishful thinking...but I sure can dream big.

07-29-2014, 02:15 PM	#1477
SpeedIsLife Drives: Current Camaro-less Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,242	NHRA certification means that the vehicle was stock, or with Stated modifications on a properly calibrated timing system. At least one NHRA official had to be present.

07-29-2014, 02:16 PM	#1478
SpeedIsLife Drives: Current Camaro-less Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Oregon Posts: 3,242	Stated modifications= the 10.8 on DR'S

07-29-2014, 02:48 PM	#1480
Obzen Pull up Cougar! Drives: 2016 2SS Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,875	We need a over under on how long before someone wrecks one leaving a car meet.