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trans665 · 05-02-2013, 12:16 PM

HOW DOES THE G6X3 CAM, compare with the night fury cam???? i cant decide!!!!

thahemp · 05-02-2013, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by trans665

HOW DOES THE G6X3 CAM, compare with the night fury cam???? i cant decide!!!!

Before the NF came out and got popular I was debating between TSP 231/236 and the G6X3. I ended up deciding on the TSP cam because of all of the mentions of potential PTV clearance issues with the G6X3. Neither of those cams has the torque curve that the NF has. I jumped ship and re-decided on the NF after I saw a few graphs that all looked pretty much the same. Easy decision in my mind.

Night Fury.

Birm · 05-02-2013, 01:42 PM

Out of those two, I would go NF...

SSexy Camaro · 05-02-2013, 01:53 PM

any more input on this???: I'm considering doing an Ls3 conversion and getting the night fury myself. Was thinking about doing a custom cam job through jannety or tune time

Birm · 05-02-2013, 01:55 PM

What are your goals? Plan to stay NA or FI? Target HP Range? Where do you want it-down low up top or linear?

Need more info.

JEFF75645 · 05-02-2013, 02:05 PM

Gonna need a stall for sure.

Fast6.3 · 05-02-2013, 02:24 PM

Torquer LS3 Camshaft
Have you taken a look at the katech ls3 torquer cam it put down 531 hp and has z pretty nice torque curve a friend of mine has it on his c6 ant its awsome i tried pasteing the dyno graph from katech but couldnt

litle88 · 05-02-2013, 02:50 PM

I think the NF is about an all around good cam that can even be used with some boost in the future if you go that way BUT a proven NA cam as well. It's easier drive ability and tuning wise.

CGT · 05-02-2013, 02:57 PM

I think picking one is just hearsay, until you see both cams tested on a good repeatable dyno(engine dyno would be best) under controlled conditions. There is generally not alot of magic to be found between different cams that have similiar lift, durations and separations. I would pick which ever one I could get the best deal on myself.

litle88 · 05-02-2013, 03:18 PM

I've always there video taping Campers tuning of the NF cam since he was out of state. I saw the numbers it was putting down and witnessed the tuning process. It laid down some pretty damn good numbers on the dyno of broken dreams lol.

The NF and G6x3 are two totally different cams and I would not get the one that has the best deal, I would pick one that is going to meet your needs and goals.

Good luck finding engine or chassis dynos for that matter getting tuned back to back at your local shop lol.

CGT · 05-02-2013, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by litle88

I've always there video taping Campers tuning of the NF cam since he was out of state. I saw the numbers it was putting down and witnessed the tuning process. It laid down some pretty damn good numbers on the dyno of broken dreams lol.

The NF and G6x3 are two totally different cams and I would not get the one that has the best deal, I would pick one that is going to meet your needs and goals.

Good luck finding engine or chassis dynos for that matter getting tuned back to back at your local shop lol.

Exactly! Back to back never happens! My point exactly, two cams on 10 different chassis dynos in 8 towns is not much better information than none sometimes. Although, its all most have to go on. Little88, would you like to have an actual technical discussion on valve events in particular? Because I would enjoy that much more, rather than parading cams with "names". Or would you just rather make condescending comments for the sake of looking like your something your not?

CGT · 05-02-2013, 03:32 PM

Little88, Lets start by posting the specs on both cams, and their installed centerlines. I'll break down the opening and closing points at different centerlines and we can have a technical discussion on the effects of each valve event.

litle88 · 05-02-2013, 03:40 PM

Sure if you'd like, good luck finding them for these 2 cams. If you have them have at it.

I'm not parading anything, sorry your feelings are hurt but your saying you'd rather just pick a cam that has the best deal? What kind of advise is that for new folks here. I wouldn't recommend a G6x3 for someone's first cam though. Especially "if" the OP has an auto. It's not an easy tune and depending on your gears and stall drive ability is gonna be a MF'r. Gears on an M6 would be a BIG plus. It's just me looking at the bigger picture.

thahemp · 05-02-2013, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CGT

Little88, Lets start by posting the specs on both cams, and their installed centerlines. I'll break down the opening and closing points at different centerlines and we can have a technical discussion on the effects of each valve event.

I tried the valve events talk a while back, and basically that discussion ends with "We need an engine dyno!". Actually I believe you joined that discussion

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I'd love to get you babbling about valve events again. Here we go. I don't think I ever rounded up the actual centerlines.

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Lethal Racing Night Fury

231/242, .617"/.615", 113 LSA

TSP 231/236

231/236, .641"/.615", 112 LSA

LG G6X3

235/244, .647"/.612", 111 LSA

05-02-2013, 12:16 PM	#1
trans665 Drives: 2013 2ss Join Date: May 2011 Location: corpus christi Posts: 488	quick cam question HOW DOES THE G6X3 CAM, compare with the night fury cam???? i cant decide!!!!

05-02-2013, 01:53 PM	#4
SSexy Camaro Patiently Waiting Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: New York Posts: 57 View My Garage	any more input on this???: I'm considering doing an Ls3 conversion and getting the night fury myself. Was thinking about doing a custom cam job through jannety or tune time __________________ 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS A6 L99 American Racing Headers with X pipe straight back, K&N Aircharger CAI, TuneTime dyno'd @368 on Mustang Dyno

05-02-2013, 02:05 PM	#6
JEFF75645 Drives: his wife crazy buying mods Join Date: May 2012 Location: Gilmer, TX Posts: 1,342 View My Garage	Gonna need a stall for sure. __________________ Gone But Not Forgotten

05-02-2013, 02:24 PM	#7
Fast6.3 Drives: 2016 2SS coupe 2015 3LT Stingray Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: El paso texas Posts: 880 View My Garage	Torquer LS3 Camshaft Have you taken a look at the katech ls3 torquer cam it put down 531 hp and has z pretty nice torque curve a friend of mine has it on his c6 ant its awsome i tried pasteing the dyno graph from katech but couldnt __________________ Ported intake manifold and throttle body kooks 2" headers no cats

05-02-2013, 02:50 PM	#8
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	I think the NF is about an all around good cam that can even be used with some boost in the future if you go that way BUT a proven NA cam as well. It's easier drive ability and tuning wise. __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

05-02-2013, 01:42 PM	#3
Birm Drives: Florida Speed & Power Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Pinellas Park, FL Posts: 3,185	Out of those two, I would go NF...

05-02-2013, 01:55 PM	#5
Birm Drives: Florida Speed & Power Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Pinellas Park, FL Posts: 3,185	What are your goals? Plan to stay NA or FI? Target HP Range? Where do you want it-down low up top or linear? Need more info.

05-02-2013, 02:57 PM	#9
CGT Drives: 2011 SSm6 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: St.Louis Posts: 355	I think picking one is just hearsay, until you see both cams tested on a good repeatable dyno(engine dyno would be best) under controlled conditions. There is generally not alot of magic to be found between different cams that have similiar lift, durations and separations. I would pick which ever one I could get the best deal on myself.

05-02-2013, 03:18 PM	#10
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	I've always there video taping Campers tuning of the NF cam since he was out of state. I saw the numbers it was putting down and witnessed the tuning process. It laid down some pretty damn good numbers on the dyno of broken dreams lol. The NF and G6x3 are two totally different cams and I would not get the one that has the best deal, I would pick one that is going to meet your needs and goals. Good luck finding engine or chassis dynos for that matter getting tuned back to back at your local shop lol. __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.

05-02-2013, 03:32 PM	#12
CGT Drives: 2011 SSm6 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: St.Louis Posts: 355	Little88, Lets start by posting the specs on both cams, and their installed centerlines. I'll break down the opening and closing points at different centerlines and we can have a technical discussion on the effects of each valve event.

05-02-2013, 03:40 PM	#13
litle88 V8 Lounge member #2 Drives: 2001 Ws6 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Burbank,IL Posts: 6,373	Sure if you'd like, good luck finding them for these 2 cams. If you have them have at it. I'm not parading anything, sorry your feelings are hurt but your saying you'd rather just pick a cam that has the best deal? What kind of advise is that for new folks here. I wouldn't recommend a G6x3 for someone's first cam though. Especially "if" the OP has an auto. It's not an easy tune and depending on your gears and stall drive ability is gonna be a MF'r. Gears on an M6 would be a BIG plus. It's just me looking at the bigger picture. __________________ 2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.