2010 camaro ss ls3 vs 2004 gto ls1 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

ABMLS3 · 05-30-2013, 10:59 AM

How do you think it'd be if these two cars raced?
Drag and street course

camaroRND2 · 05-30-2013, 05:01 PM

100% camaro wins with no difference in the driver mod. Gto weighs almost as much with much less power.

usafboy · 05-30-2013, 05:38 PM

What about 2006 ls2? Just curious

Biscuitpie · 05-30-2013, 10:42 PM

Lol not even close. LS2 would be a better race but unless the SS driver is a lot worse the SS will win.

VADER SS L99 · 05-30-2013, 11:26 PM

Anal rape. The 2004 GTO was slower than the 4th gen F-body Z28 and Formula cars. That year GTO was a big mistake IMO.

bw26ss · 05-30-2013, 11:30 PM

Bad70supreme · 05-31-2013, 07:58 AM

My M6 had no problem walking a ls2 gto many times, street and track! The ls2 is pretty fast, very strong mid range but the ls3 pulls harder on the top end. Every time I shifted 3rd was when it was by by time.

drayco513 · 05-31-2013, 09:13 AM

they do pretty good modded tho. but stock u should walk it pretty easy. on both ls1 and ls2 . im cam only and ive raced a h/c/i ls2 the other night and got him pretty good then . a friend in a full exhaust camaro and intake. was door to door with it till he hit 3rd then the camaro would start pulling on him.

08-G35s/6MT · 05-31-2013, 02:26 PM

ls1 gto's are turd sandwich stock, 14 second cars at our track.

I even beat one twice from dead stop in my accord lol, he asked if I was turbocharged....

MuhThugga · 03-27-2014, 07:58 AM

The main crutch of the GTO is the rear suspension. It can be a finicky bitch to launch properly, and since a lot of the GTOs are very cheap to buy nowadays, every sideways cap-wearing mouth-breather trades in their IROC for one, and they don't know how to do anything other than smash the pedal to the floor.

Being ten years old at this point, keep in mind that a lot of these cars are now beat to hell, and those engines probably aren't in peak operating condition. I would certainly think that some of those GTOs that were so easily beat had over 100,000 miles on the clock, and probably weren't maintained the best, if at all. It is just like any other vehicle that increases in age: things break, maintenance slips, the car gets sold for a cheap price to a bigger dumbass who hacks it up some more.

Let's also compare apples to apples for a minute. The GTO is by no means "slow," especially when looking at the time it was released. Keep in mind that there was a point in time when the 260 HP LT1 was at the top of the game. Even the lowly LS1 GTO sported more horsepower over the competition. The Mustang had 300, the STi had 300, and the Evo was somewhere in the high-200s. You finally had the Magnum/Charger/300C in the mid-300s, but by that time, the GTO was at 400. So, it was always ahead of the game.

If you can look beyond the unmerited hatred of the GTO, you still have a RWD coupe with an LS engine under the hood. Stock for stock, I would hope the LS3 Camaro would beat the LS1 GTO. It is six years newer with a better rear suspension and a bigger engine. It's called progress.

markpetersonii · 03-27-2014, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

ls1 gto's are turd sandwich stock, 14 second cars at our track.

I even beat one twice from dead stop in my accord lol, he asked if I was turbocharged....

I'd like a video of this...

FryZ · 03-27-2014, 09:40 PM

I dunno, M6 LS2 GTOs are quick...they have the MN12 (Z06) trans w/ the better gearing and they weigh @3700 stock. And it's super easy to pull 100# out of them by removing tow braces, gas tank brace, etc. My 06 LS2 M6 had HCI at put 460+ to the wheels and it hurt some feelings. LS1 GTOs weren't strong but still can move w/ some cheap mods. Stock for stock, M6 LS3 > LS1 no matter which trans. M6 LS3 vs M6 LS2 is a drivers race, IMO.

DaemonGPF · 03-27-2014, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by markpetersonii

I'd like a video of this...

Ditto..

tc Bosnian · 03-30-2014, 07:35 PM

There's a lot of GTOs where I live and all seem very slow. Also these cars are hard to get the down track.

05-30-2013, 10:59 AM	#1
ABMLS3 Drives: 2010 Aqua Blue Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: May 2013 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 657	2010 camaro ss ls3 vs 2004 gto ls1 How do you think it'd be if these two cars raced? Drag and street course __________________ Power Source Performance Turbo Kit 416 C.I ,TH400 Instagram: TomTraube COTW ABMLS3 Build Thread

05-30-2013, 05:01 PM	#2
camaroRND2 Drives: IBM 2SS/RS 6sp. Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Valdosta Ga Posts: 541 View My Garage	100% camaro wins with no difference in the driver mod. Gto weighs almost as much with much less power. __________________ Build Thread http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=206489

05-30-2013, 05:38 PM	#3
usafboy Drives: 2010 Silver SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 882	What about 2006 ls2? Just curious __________________ 2010 Silver Ice Metallic Camaro SS/RS LS3 Mods...so far: resonator/muffler delete, tinted everything, '13 shift knob/boot, bowtie delete, PFADT sway bars, CAI intake, Hurst short shifter, JBA cat deletes, BMR trailing arms/outer bushings/steering rack bushing, Bo White ported TB. Rhino79 Dyno tuned...405 HP/399 TQ

05-30-2013, 10:42 PM	#4
Biscuitpie Drives: '11 Cammed LS3, '14 Scion FRS Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 758	Lol not even close. LS2 would be a better race but unless the SS driver is a lot worse the SS will win. __________________ SOLD with a Z06 in the not too distant future: Cammed, boltons, axles, lowered, and more. \| 476 WHP

05-30-2013, 11:26 PM	#5
VADER SS L99 Drives: 2013 A6 GT 5.0 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Edmond, OK Posts: 2,909	Anal rape. The 2004 GTO was slower than the 4th gen F-body Z28 and Formula cars. That year GTO was a big mistake IMO. __________________ BLK/BLK 1SS/RS Ordered 11-01-2009 Took delivery 12-22-2009. Heads/cam/converter/bolt ons. SOLD Feb 2015 to fund 6th gen LT1 SS with 8L90E.

05-30-2013, 11:30 PM	#6
bw26ss Banned Drives: ss camaro Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: usa Posts: 876

05-31-2013, 07:58 AM	#7
Bad70supreme Drives: 2010 aqua blue SS/RS M6 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: plainfield, IL Posts: 2,706	My M6 had no problem walking a ls2 gto many times, street and track! The ls2 is pretty fast, very strong mid range but the ls3 pulls harder on the top end. Every time I shifted 3rd was when it was by by time. __________________ 10.91 at 122 H/C stock block N/A

05-31-2013, 09:13 AM	#8
drayco513 Drives: ss2/rs Join Date: May 2013 Location: east ky Posts: 77	they do pretty good modded tho. but stock u should walk it pretty easy. on both ls1 and ls2 . im cam only and ive raced a h/c/i ls2 the other night and got him pretty good then . a friend in a full exhaust camaro and intake. was door to door with it till he hit 3rd then the camaro would start pulling on him. __________________ 461/423 n/a

05-31-2013, 02:26 PM	#9
08-G35s/6MT Drives: racecars Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: BMN Posts: 1,776	ls1 gto's are turd sandwich stock, 14 second cars at our track. I even beat one twice from dead stop in my accord lol, he asked if I was turbocharged....

03-27-2014, 07:58 AM	#10
MuhThugga Poppycock Drives: Pontiac GTO Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Wilmington, De Posts: 116	The main crutch of the GTO is the rear suspension. It can be a finicky bitch to launch properly, and since a lot of the GTOs are very cheap to buy nowadays, every sideways cap-wearing mouth-breather trades in their IROC for one, and they don't know how to do anything other than smash the pedal to the floor. Being ten years old at this point, keep in mind that a lot of these cars are now beat to hell, and those engines probably aren't in peak operating condition. I would certainly think that some of those GTOs that were so easily beat had over 100,000 miles on the clock, and probably weren't maintained the best, if at all. It is just like any other vehicle that increases in age: things break, maintenance slips, the car gets sold for a cheap price to a bigger dumbass who hacks it up some more. Let's also compare apples to apples for a minute. The GTO is by no means "slow," especially when looking at the time it was released. Keep in mind that there was a point in time when the 260 HP LT1 was at the top of the game. Even the lowly LS1 GTO sported more horsepower over the competition. The Mustang had 300, the STi had 300, and the Evo was somewhere in the high-200s. You finally had the Magnum/Charger/300C in the mid-300s, but by that time, the GTO was at 400. So, it was always ahead of the game. If you can look beyond the unmerited hatred of the GTO, you still have a RWD coupe with an LS engine under the hood. Stock for stock, I would hope the LS3 Camaro would beat the LS1 GTO. It is six years newer with a better rear suspension and a bigger engine. It's called progress.

03-27-2014, 09:40 PM	#12
FryZ Drives: 2011 1SS/RS Synergy Green Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Syracuse NY Posts: 96	I dunno, M6 LS2 GTOs are quick...they have the MN12 (Z06) trans w/ the better gearing and they weigh @3700 stock. And it's super easy to pull 100# out of them by removing tow braces, gas tank brace, etc. My 06 LS2 M6 had HCI at put 460+ to the wheels and it hurt some feelings. LS1 GTOs weren't strong but still can move w/ some cheap mods. Stock for stock, M6 LS3 > LS1 no matter which trans. M6 LS3 vs M6 LS2 is a drivers race, IMO. __________________ 2011 SGM 1SS/RS M6 - E-Force/3.25 pulley - NEP blower cam - Kooks - Borla - ZL1 pump/ADM/ID 850 - RotoFab - Mantic - FR41-275/315 - MGW - Katzkin - tuned by New Era Performance - 650/611

03-30-2014, 07:35 PM	#14
tc Bosnian Drives: 09 a4 1500 silverado 2010 2ss rs Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: fort wayne Posts: 309 View My Garage	There's a lot of GTOs where I live and all seem very slow. Also these cars are hard to get the down track.