Non sequential vin 2012 ZL1 For Sale - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

toyosuprablue · 02-18-2013, 06:40 PM

I was going through some ads for used ZL1's and came across this one. The VIN number is 2G1FS1EP7C 9799763... I thought that all ZL1's had the sequential vin number starting at 9800001. Just wondering if anyone knew why?

http://ingearct.com/VehicleDetails/2...necticut-06824

I just went directly to the maritime chevrolet website and found that they have two identical 2012 ZL1's. Both have a non sequential VIN... pictures look like its the same car but different VIN and mileage.

http://www.maritimemotors.com/Vehicl...-CT/1917019273

Modern07 · 02-18-2013, 07:10 PM

Maybe a CTF car (Captured Test Fleet)

toyosuprablue · 02-18-2013, 07:15 PM

I guess they have to be.

Carfax report shows that they are both from Michigan. Are they more valuable, less valuable? Does that mean that more than 1971 ZL1's were made in 2012

FAIRNOT LZ1 · 02-18-2013, 07:40 PM

How about they posted wrong vin #???

Mattzl1 · 02-18-2013, 07:43 PM

If you run the VIN number, it shows it is a 2012 1SS coupe. I would say they just have the wrong VIN listed for the ZL1.

armysig · 02-18-2013, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by toyosuprablue

I guess they have to be.

Carfax report shows that they are both from Michigan. Are they more valuable, less valuable? Does that mean that more than 1971 ZL1's were made in 2012

No that ZL1 is not more valuable than a sequential ZL1. This was a CTF car and all ZL1s were accounted for in 1971 count. This is to include cars that were retrofitted from SS cars to proto type ZL1s as we saw in early 2011.

Don't let a dealership tell you it is more special or rare than other cars of that make. All they want is more money out of you and will do almost anything to get it.

toyosuprablue · 02-18-2013, 09:09 PM

Im not looking to buy it. I was just curious why they werent sequential

MS3DALE · 02-19-2013, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Modern07

Maybe a CTF car (Captured Test Fleet)

^^^This^^^ all CTF cars have 9799 in the VIN

MS3DALE · 02-19-2013, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattzl1

If you run the VIN number, it shows it is a 2012 1SS coupe. I would say they just have the wrong VIN listed for the ZL1.

I ran the VIN (2G1FS1EP7C9799763) it comes up as a ZL1,not a 1SS

Southern Comfort · 02-19-2013, 05:12 PM

[QUOTE=armysig;6177759]...all ZL1s were accounted for in 1971 count.../QUOTE]

Where are you getting these numbers and info about retrofitting SSs into ZL1s?

Ryanbabz71 · 02-19-2013, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MS3DALE

^^^This^^^ all CTF cars have 9799 in the VIN

I thought they were going to destroy the CTF cars?

Ryan

THR ZL1 #1 · 02-21-2013, 09:04 AM

Many of the CTF cars get reconditioned and sold to the public.

RUQWIKR · 02-21-2013, 05:37 PM

Non-Saleable VIN's will have the 'EX' in them at the end. Saleable vehicles will have a FMVSS-compliant VIN. The ZL1's built before, I think it was 1/23/12 (whatever the date the sequential VIN's started), if they were saleable, they would have the "regular" VIN as seen on the vehicles being discussed.

That said, any of those would go through any retrofits, quality tweaks, etc. before going to auction. Some would have been CTF vehicles, some in the press fleet, some auto show vehicles, etc. This was seen as well on the '09 ZR1's, etc., that have sequential style-unique VIN's. However, these early ZL1's should have the LSA engine digit: 8th digit is a 'P'...as seen in the example given.

As long as there are no warranty blocks or other issues, I would be no more or no less leary than an used car. May have been driven easy, or not. What you have to look out for is "special use" vehicles. For example, the ZR1's, etc. that are used at Bondurant and Spring Mountain in the race schools come on the auction market frequently. Because they have been officially track cars, the powertrain / driveline parts have warranty blocks on them. You typically see these on eBay, Cars.com, etc. at some "incredible" price for the mileage. I love how the sellers typically put "car has remaining balance of factory warranty". Which won't apply to the engine, trans, rear, brakes, suspension, usually. While not techically a lie, it sure doesn't tell you the whole story.

If you are going to modify the snot out of the driveline, those track cars are great buys as your warranty would be toast anyways. I have some buddies that have been very happy with them as they got a great deal on a well-maintained, albeit track car, and were modifying them anyways. If ever in question, if being sold by a GM dealer, have them show you the GMVIS page with warranty status and mileage / date of warranty coverage. If not sold by a GM dealer, I would take the VIN to your local dealer and ask the same.

Hope this helps...a bit long-winded, but, I am usually...

02-18-2013, 07:10 PM	#2
Modern07 Mid-Florida Camaro Club Drives: 2019 ZL1 on Order Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Heathrow, FL Posts: 3,136	Maybe a CTF car (Captured Test Fleet) __________________ My Build Thread

02-18-2013, 07:40 PM	#4
FAIRNOT LZ1 It's in black & white Drives: 2012 ZL1 Summit White #1366 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Vernon CT Posts: 1,855 View My Garage	How about they posted wrong vin #??? __________________ FAIRNOT ZL1

02-18-2013, 07:43 PM	#5
Mattzl1 Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: upstate New York Posts: 166	If you run the VIN number, it shows it is a 2012 1SS coupe. I would say they just have the wrong VIN listed for the ZL1. __________________ 2013 ZL1 AGM, ECF, A6, sunroof, black rims mods complete! 664 RWHP, 645 RWTQ Ported snout, 2.5 upper, Innovators west balancer with 9.1 lower, New era intake, American Racing long tube headers with hollow cats and X pipe, KDI heat exchanger, ID850's, TS29 cam !

02-18-2013, 06:40 PM	#1
toyosuprablue Account Suspended Drives: 2013 ZL1 Black M6 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Nyack, NY Posts: 370 View My Garage	Non sequential vin 2012 ZL1 For Sale I was going through some ads for used ZL1's and came across this one. The VIN number is 2G1FS1EP7C 9799763... I thought that all ZL1's had the sequential vin number starting at 9800001. Just wondering if anyone knew why? http://ingearct.com/VehicleDetails/2...necticut-06824 I just went directly to the maritime chevrolet website and found that they have two identical 2012 ZL1's. Both have a non sequential VIN... pictures look like its the same car but different VIN and mileage. http://www.maritimemotors.com/Vehicl...-CT/1917019273

02-18-2013, 07:15 PM	#3
toyosuprablue Account Suspended Drives: 2013 ZL1 Black M6 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Nyack, NY Posts: 370 View My Garage	I guess they have to be. Carfax report shows that they are both from Michigan. Are they more valuable, less valuable? Does that mean that more than 1971 ZL1's were made in 2012

02-18-2013, 09:09 PM	#7
toyosuprablue Account Suspended Drives: 2013 ZL1 Black M6 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Nyack, NY Posts: 370 View My Garage	Im not looking to buy it. I was just curious why they werent sequential

02-19-2013, 05:12 PM	#10
Southern Comfort No Tags/Habitual Violator Drives: 2012 SIM 2SS/RS & z71 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: North Georgia Posts: 2,379 View My Garage	[QUOTE=armysig;6177759]...all ZL1s were accounted for in 1971 count.../QUOTE] Where are you getting these numbers and info about retrofitting SSs into ZL1s?

02-21-2013, 09:04 AM	#12
THR ZL1 #1 Perma Grinning Drives: 2012 Tom Henry Racing ZL1 Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Schaumburg, IL Posts: 452	Many of the CTF cars get reconditioned and sold to the public.

02-21-2013, 05:37 PM	#13
RUQWIKR Drives: 1LEs Join Date: May 2009 Location: DFW - Texas Posts: 1,319	Non-Saleable VIN's will have the 'EX' in them at the end. Saleable vehicles will have a FMVSS-compliant VIN. The ZL1's built before, I think it was 1/23/12 (whatever the date the sequential VIN's started), if they were saleable, they would have the "regular" VIN as seen on the vehicles being discussed. That said, any of those would go through any retrofits, quality tweaks, etc. before going to auction. Some would have been CTF vehicles, some in the press fleet, some auto show vehicles, etc. This was seen as well on the '09 ZR1's, etc., that have sequential style-unique VIN's. However, these early ZL1's should have the LSA engine digit: 8th digit is a 'P'...as seen in the example given. As long as there are no warranty blocks or other issues, I would be no more or no less leary than an used car. May have been driven easy, or not. What you have to look out for is "special use" vehicles. For example, the ZR1's, etc. that are used at Bondurant and Spring Mountain in the race schools come on the auction market frequently. Because they have been officially track cars, the powertrain / driveline parts have warranty blocks on them. You typically see these on eBay, Cars.com, etc. at some "incredible" price for the mileage. I love how the sellers typically put "car has remaining balance of factory warranty". Which won't apply to the engine, trans, rear, brakes, suspension, usually. While not techically a lie, it sure doesn't tell you the whole story. If you are going to modify the snot out of the driveline, those track cars are great buys as your warranty would be toast anyways. I have some buddies that have been very happy with them as they got a great deal on a well-maintained, albeit track car, and were modifying them anyways. If ever in question, if being sold by a GM dealer, have them show you the GMVIS page with warranty status and mileage / date of warranty coverage. If not sold by a GM dealer, I would take the VIN to your local dealer and ask the same. Hope this helps...a bit long-winded, but, I am usually...