Why can't GM offer closer to Mustang

[Dupree878]

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

I respectfully disagree. For $32k (1SS money), I got a premium trim 5.0, with leather, interior upgrade, premium wheels, and a premium sound system. You can't touch a Camaro with all that for less than about $35k with incentives and discounts. And even then, you don't get voice activation, and no VVT on the V8. And the Camaro may have IRS, but the Mustang (even in standard form) is better balanced, and out-handles the SS by a significant margin (something like .90G vs .98G).

As for the other items you listed, heated mirrors are worthless on a car no one drives in the snow, and make much sense as putting 4WD with a low range on it. Backup camera is useless to me as I look out the back window or at my mirrors when backing up, not down at the dash. Mustang does have automatic headlights. And I don't know about auto-dimming mirrors because honestly, I've never noticed. So in terms of usefulness, what you are essentially down to is a $4k head up display and maybe a mirror (and admittedly, a little better looking car).

And I bought mine two months after the launch of the 5.0 when incentives were much smaller, so you can probably buy my car cheaper today than what I paid if you shop around. And I know most who buy in this segment don't normally consider this, but with help from the TiVCT and efficiency of that SRA, I get 30 mpg @ 70mph on the interstate (yes, with the V8), so I'm probably saving a few hundred extra every single year on fuel. Dollar for dollar, a Mustang is a better value if you have no brand preference, which I don't.

Before I bought my Camaro I priced a mustang. Cheaper, plus Ford offered much better deals. It would have been about $12,000 less.

[aggieguy13]

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

I respectfully disagree. For $32k (1SS money), I got a premium trim 5.0, with leather, interior upgrade, premium wheels, and a premium sound system. You can't touch a Camaro with all that for less than about $35k with incentives and discounts. And even then, you don't get voice activation, and no VVT on the V8. And the Camaro may have IRS, but the Mustang (even in standard form) is better balanced, and out-handles the SS by a significant margin (something like .90G vs .98G).

As for the other items you listed, heated mirrors are worthless on a car no one drives in the snow, and make much sense as putting 4WD with a low range on it. Backup camera is useless to me as I look out the back window or at my mirrors when backing up, not down at the dash. Mustang does have automatic headlights. And I don't know about auto-dimming mirrors because honestly, I've never noticed. So in terms of usefulness, what you are essentially down to is a $4k head up display and maybe a mirror (and admittedly, a little better looking car).

And I bought mine two months after the launch of the 5.0 when incentives where much smaller, so you can probably buy my car cheaper today than what I paid if you shop around. And I know most who buy in this segment don't normally consider this, but with help from the TiVCT and efficiency of that SRA, I get 30 mpg @ 70mph on the interstate (yes, with the V8), so I'm probably saving a few hundred extra every single year on fuel. Dollar for dollar, a Mustang is a better value if you have no brand preference, which I don't.

not exactly true...... can get 1LE for 35k. and takes a 45k Boss 302 Laguna Seca to come close. the only thing that gives the Stangs a nice jump where as in the past 30 years or so car for car speed/performance has always kinda been one sided for Camaro, is the fact that So much additional is done to the Mustangs at the factory, more aggressive cam, more aggressive electronic tune, 32 valve (very nice i might add intake system) All of which Ford purposely did so that for once they could say Stock GT vs Stock SS. they would win.

[cbass]

Originally Posted by aggieguy13

not exactly true...... can get 1LE for 35k. and takes a 45k Boss 302 Laguna Seca to come close. the only thing that gives the Stangs a nice jump where as in the past 30 years or so car for car speed/performance has always kinda been one sided for Camaro, is the fact that So much additional is done to the Mustangs at the factory, more aggressive cam, more aggressive electronic tune, 32 valve (very nice i might add intake system) All of which Ford purposely did so that for once they could say Stock GT vs Stock SS. they would win.

The 1LE starts are 37K with no other options on a 1SS. Load up a 2SS and you are around 43K on a 2SS 1LE, about the prices of a Boss 302, but without the forged motor.

Mustangs are better prices. I would have saved money getting a mustang, but chose the camaro for various reasons.

The incentives on a 2013 mustang are very steep right now:

0% APR for 60 mos.
Ford Credit Financing

PLUS up to
$4,000
Bonus Cash


OR up to
$6,000
Cash Back

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/2013/incentives/

[aggieguy13]

32k sticker +35001le. 35.5. not 37. Dont get me wrong. not saying the mustangs dont come to the table prepaired. they look good. perform adequately as well.

[cbass]

Originally Posted by aggieguy13

32k sticker +35001le. 35.5. not 37. Dont get me wrong. not saying the mustangs dont come to the table prepaired. they look good. perform adequately as well.

With the current $1500 incentive. Before that it was $37035

[aggieguy13]

Originally Posted by cbass

The 1LE starts are 37K with no other options on a 1SS. Load up a 2SS and you are around 43K on a 2SS 1LE, about the prices of a Boss 302, but without the forged motor.

Mustangs are better prices. I would have saved money getting a mustang, but chose the camaro for various reasons.

The incentives on a 2013 mustang are very steep right now:

0% APR for 60 mos.
Ford Credit Financing

PLUS up to
$4,000
Bonus Cash


OR up to
$6,000
Cash Back

http://www.ford.com/cars/mustang/2013/incentives/

ya thats the one thing Ford will do chevy wont. Chevy honestly knows if you dont buy it it will be gone shortly so they dont need to budge. and are very hardheaded on that.

[flyinlow]

Originally Posted by fastgun

Because GM spent a lot of time making such a sexy looking car!!! I mean just look at the sexy PHAT butt on the Camaro!!!

Hey Fastgun, I'm going to have the same thing in my driveway on Saturday, VR 1LE SS and my 2007 VR Avalanche

[flyinlow]

The Mustang is cheaper, I don't think anyone questions that. When I went looking, I looked at the GT with the track pack against the 1LE. Drove both, no question which one rides nicer. Then watched a pro take the track pack mustang and the 1LE around Willow Springs, no question which the right car was. Yes you have to pay more but its worth it.

[fielderLS3]

Originally Posted by aggieguy13

32k sticker +35001le. 35.5. not 37. Dont get me wrong. not saying the mustangs dont come to the table prepaired. they look good. perform adequately as well.

What Camaro SS today stickers for $32k? You can probably get one for that after incentives and discounts.

Originally Posted by aggieguy13

ya thats the one thing Ford will do chevy wont. Chevy honestly knows if you dont buy it it will be gone shortly so they dont need to budge. and are very hardheaded on that.

GM stickers are much closer to invoice than Ford's. So apart from the factory incentives, you'll generally be able to get a Ford dealer to knock an extra $750-$1000 more off the sticker than a GM dealer can do.

As for sales, the Mustang and Camaro have been selling in nearly identical numbers lately (maybe with a 5% at best edge Camaro over Mustang).

[firedrop]

before i bought my 2ss, i went to a ford dealer to try to get approved on a '13 gt.. they wanted 18% APR because my credit sucks.. said **** that, drove down the street to the chevy dealer and got a '12 2ss with 82 miles on it for 8% apr

[Bizlipkick]

I went from a 2013 5.0 premium package, paid 32 for it. After riding in a buds camaro (l99 i might add) i was sold. Just felt better put together. I was able to get a 2ss rs 45th with sunroof and hurst 6 speed for 32500, a better deal then my almost base mustang. Now was my mustang faster? A smidge, but thats another topoc

[BigRedMikeLV]

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

I respectfully disagree. For $32k (1SS money), I got a premium trim 5.0, with leather, interior upgrade, premium wheels, and a premium sound system. You can't touch a Camaro with all that for less than about $35k with incentives and discounts. And even then, you don't get voice activation, and no VVT on the V8. And the Camaro may have IRS, but the Mustang (even in standard form) is better balanced, and out-handles the SS by a significant margin (something like .90G vs .98G).

As for the other items you listed, heated mirrors are worthless on a car no one drives in the snow, and make much sense as putting 4WD with a low range on it. Backup camera is useless to me as I look out the back window or at my mirrors when backing up, not down at the dash. Mustang does have automatic headlights. And I don't know about auto-dimming mirrors because honestly, I've never noticed. So in terms of usefulness, what you are essentially down to is a $4k head up display and maybe a mirror (and admittedly, a little better looking car).

And I bought mine two months after the launch of the 5.0 when incentives were much smaller, so you can probably buy my car cheaper today than what I paid if you shop around. And I know most who buy in this segment don't normally consider this, but with help from the TiVCT and efficiency of that SRA, I get 30 mpg @ 70mph on the interstate (yes, with the V8), so I'm probably saving a few hundred extra every single year on fuel. Dollar for dollar, a Mustang is a better value if you have no brand preference, which I don't.

Where are you getting your Mustang prices from? Your ass? Looking at Ford's site right now, the base GT Premium for a 2013 is $36345 starting MSRP and the 2014 is $35000, both almost as much as a 2SS base. If you are talking negotiated price, that is moot. Every dealer will give you a different price depending on their circumstances.

[fielderLS3]

Originally Posted by Bizlipkick

I went from a 2013 5.0 premium package, paid 32 for it. After riding in a buds camaro (l99 i might add) i was sold. Just felt better put together. I was able to get a 2ss rs 45th with sunroof and hurst 6 speed for 32500, a better deal then my almost base mustang. Now was my mustang faster? A smidge, but thats another topoc

That's a bit of a pointless comparison. Of course you pay less buying used than buying new. That you went from a new 2013 to a used 2012, and paid more for the used car kinda makes the point.

[fielderLS3]

Originally Posted by BigRedMikeLV

Where are you getting your Mustang prices from? Your ass? Looking at Ford's site right now, the base GT Premium for a 2013 is $36345 starting MSRP and the 2014 is $35000, both almost as much as a 2SS base. If you are talking negotiated price, that is moot. Every dealer will give you a different price depending on their circumstances.

Not sure if that is an error on their site or not...why a 2013 would be priced $1345 more than a 2014 is a mystery to me.

Here's what I know for sure: First, when I bought mine, the sticker was $35,785. That was for a premium trim and included over $2k worth of options. After the rebates and everything, I paid $32k, which was about the best I could find anywhere on a 1SS (not a 2SS) with just $495 worth of options (no leather, no USB port or Bluetooth, no voice activation, and just a bare black plastic interior.)

Second, given the sticker, the incentives, and the difference between sticker and invoice, any buyer who isn't a doormat should be able to leave the dealer today with a new 2014 GT Premium for $32k, and be near or perhaps a little under $31k on a remaining 2013. A base GT would be at least $4k less than that. No where will you find a new 1SS for anywhere near $27-28K, or a new 2SS for anywhere near $31-32K.

The negotiated price is what matters. The sticker price is what is moot, because no one pays sticker. And while it is true that the negotiation will be different from dealer to dealer, the factory incentives won't (Ford's are generally larger), and the invoice won't. That there is a much larger gap between invoice and sticker on a Ford than a Chevy means that any buyer who does even 15 minutes of homework before buying will be systematically more likely to get a much bigger discount from sticker on a Ford than a Chevy.