03-10-2012, 11:22 AM | #1 |
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2nd gear grind (tr6060) and Redline D4 ATF
I, like many here, have always had the dreaded 2nd gear grind/notchiness and occasional 3rd grind/notchiness. Especially at the drag strip, usually 2-3 runs out of 7 I would be denied 2nd gear or grind hard. Not to mention that reverse always seemed hard to get into. And of course, 50 degree temps and under it was worse.
Now, I was very skeptical that any type of fluid change was going to fix this. My warranty was shot within weeks of me taking possession of the car from dealership because of my engine mods. No prob, I pay to play, not going to make this a dealer issue in MY case. So I had read that some guys had good luck with the Redline products, I bought D4 ATF, still skeptical, but hey, what else is there to try? Rebuild? Yes eventually, that is my intentions to handle more HP down the road. I drained and refilled with D4 ATF and was able to get 4 qts into the tranny. Immediately after starting the car at just under 50 degree air temp I was able to put it into ANY gear without notchiness, I think to myself "yeah right, don't get excited yet...." LOL! And trust me, I run an MGW shifter so it is much more positive shift feeling. I noticed that it went right into reverse without effort like usual....OK... I went through about 7 good hard launches and ripped through the gears (1st through 4th) like never before!!! I still am in disbelief and I am still hoping that this has bought me some time until I can actually rebuild the tranny for harder use later. Is this a cure all? Probably not in some cases, but I would definitely recommend that you try this D4 ATF before you do anything drastic, it may help alleviate some of the symptoms we are experiencing with the notchiness and grinding. Redline D4 ATF is designed for manual tranny cars and meets or exceeds GM requirements. And, it helps with synchro mesh by adding more friction, some other brands are in fact too slippery, which I believe causes the synchros to spin to fast and have probs engaging. This thing shifts like butter now!!! I would have never thought the MGW shifter would be quieter when shifting. No notchiness and grind issues to report at this time. I am running a Textralia oz700 Z grip HD clutch, Separate clutch reservoir and keep the fluid clean. Again, I am not claiming that this will fix everything but its worth a shot!
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03-10-2012, 12:31 PM | #2 |
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Thanks for the write up. That is the exact fluid I am going to be using.
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03-11-2012, 11:01 AM | #3 |
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Thanks! I hope you get the same results that I got!
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03-11-2012, 01:04 PM | #4 |
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I don't have the 2nd gear grind once the tranny is up to temp. I am mostly trying to reduce the notchiness I get in 2nd but mostly in 3rd.
-Funk
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03-11-2012, 01:37 PM | #5 |
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I put royal purple syncromax in mine and it made a big difference. Changing the fluid definitely helps
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03-12-2012, 09:57 PM | #6 |
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I'll throw in another recommendation for the Redline D4 ATF. I actually put it in after finding a recommendation on this forum. I've also got the TR-6060 transmission, and the Redline fluid works very well, especially when warm. No regrets here.
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03-13-2012, 12:53 PM | #7 |
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Sad thing is, none of this should be necessary GM should be addressing this issue.
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03-13-2012, 01:17 PM | #8 |
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Depends on how much of it is an honest issue and how much is just the side effect of producing a manual transmission that can handle 600 lb-ft or more of torque. The updates to the syncros may have been made due to complaints and not due to need.
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03-14-2012, 08:41 AM | #9 |
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Red Line MT-90 did wonders for cold weather shifting in my old Mazda 3 so I have good expectations for Red Line products in the Camaro. I just got a gallon of D4 ATF and quart of 75W90 for the diff that I plan to change out this week. My 2nd doesn't grind but it does seem to be the problem child out of all the gears being the hardest to shift into. Hoping the D4 smooths that out a little bit.
The car is just about to roll over 40,000 miles and this is the first change so I'm interested to see how much sludge comes out of the differential. By the accounts of people who changed at 1000-3000 miles I'm almost afraid to watch! |
03-14-2012, 08:50 AM | #10 |
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I will try it because I am getting no help from the dealership. Talked to Chevy once on the phone and they are acting like its not a big issue.
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03-14-2012, 02:15 PM | #11 |
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Hmmm, I was going to replace with GM oil but will probably look into Redline.
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03-14-2012, 02:22 PM | #12 |
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I so need to do this. Thanks for the heads up
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03-14-2012, 02:22 PM | #13 |
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It doesn't hurt to try! Its not cheap oil by any means, I paid 10.49 a qt. at a local shop.
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03-14-2012, 09:24 PM | #14 |
I royal purpled mine and it does shift noticeably better under normal conditions I still get a 1-2 grind if I pull 2nd hard and fast. If I shift pretty quick its OK.
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