ZL1 and 1LE Very Impressive Results at Car and Driver Annual Lighting Lap #7 @ VIR

[jackka]

Originally Posted by DanSS24

Hmmm...LS7 Z28. Sounds like a performer to me. High power, naturally aspirated, high revving, corner carving, straight line bad assness.

A little off-topic on my part, but out of curiosity, does being naturally aspirated and high-revving actually provide a performance advantage compared to forced induction counterparts of equivalent specs or is it just the sound and feel of the engine that adds to the thrill?

[Crim]

Originally Posted by DanSS24

Hmmm...LS7 Z28. Sounds like a performer to me. High power, naturally aspirated, high revving, corner carving, straight line bad assness.

Originally Posted by jackka

A little off-topic on my part, but out of curiosity, does being naturally aspirated and high-revving actually provide a performance advantage compared to forced induction counterparts of equivalent specs or is it just the sound and feel of the engine that adds to the thrill?

The biggest reason for N/A is you don't end up with a heat soaked super charger pulling timing and killing power.

[SRT8Tech]

Stock 2011 GT500 ran at VIR with a sub 3 minute time. 2:58........Why is that.....Should not be possible right???

As I stated in the last post. Road course times have to many variables even with the same driver. When 2 cars are so close the outcome can be different everytime. The ZL1 and GT500 are both close on road courses. The ZL1 does it in handling and the GT500 does it in brute force HP. The ZL1 will win some and the GT500 will win some. That cant be disputed.....period.....

[SUKXOST]

Originally Posted by SRT8Tech

Stock 2011 GT500 ran at VIR with a sub 3 second time. 2:58........Why is that.....Should not be possible right???

(minute)
As I stated in the last post. Road course times have to many variables even with the same driver. When 2 cars are so close the outcome can be different everytime. The ZL1 and GT500 are both close on road courses. The ZL1 does it in handling and the GT500 does it in brute force HP. The ZL1 will win some and the GT500 will win some. That cant be disputed.....period.....

So did a stock 1LE @ 3870lbs with 426hp for 37K

[sonic656]

Originally Posted by Deki

To be fair though, Torque, while pushing the car as hard as they could, were more doing it for R&D than competition, it just happened that the GT500 was out there running at the same time.

Im pretty sure they both scheduled to be at the track the same day so they could see what these 2 cars would do. Just a friendly outing.


On a side note. I may have to talk my friend into picking up a 1LE.

[Kevlar382]

In an after noon the ZL1 can make as much power as the GT 500. (pulley and air box). Let me know when you get your new rear end and everything you need to make your Ford compare to the Chevy.

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by Kevlar382

In an after noon the ZL1 can make as much power as the GT 500. (pulley and air box). Let me know when you get your new rear end and everything you need to make your Ford compare to the Chevy.

Not arguing with you by any means, but anything you can do to a ZL1 you can do to a GT500 and more (engine wise) once you mod it all goes out the window.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by SRT8Tech

Stock 2011 GT500 ran at VIR with a sub 3 second time. 2:58........Why is that.....Should not be possible right???

The '11 GT500 already had ample power to put down a sub-3 minute (not second) lap with that chassis. Adding 100+ HP didn't help it. Maybe that should have been their clue that this platform has peaked and it's time to engineer a real chassis for FoMoCo's ONLY performance car.

[SRT8Tech]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

The '11 GT500 already had ample power to put down a sub-3 minute (not second) lap with that chassis. Adding 100+ HP didn't help it. Maybe that should have been their clue that this platform has peaked and it's time to engineer a real chassis for FoMoCo's ONLY performance car.

Already edited my post to minute not second. A sub 3 second lap is BLAZING!!!!

But my point is that road course times will vary ALOT.....Especially with cars as close as the ZL1 and GT500 are. I have always said that I give the edge to the ZL1 but the GT500 is right there with it because of the power. A 2:58 minute time on the old 2011 GT500 just proves my point.

[Mgizzle]

Where did a GT500 without a cage, race seats and a factory driver put down a time oc 2:58?!?! Also, did u compare that to GMs ZL1 lap at VRI? Again, the shift in laptimes is in the zl1 advantage.

By the way, that FORD engine in my mind is not that great. Compare size and weight to GM motor and u will see why. Good luck making a smaller mustang fit that motor and move weight to the rear.

[SlingShot]

Originally Posted by SRT8Tech

Already edited my post to minute not second. A sub 3 second lap is BLAZING!!!!

But my point is that road course times will vary ALOT.....Especially with cars as close as the ZL1 and GT500 are. I have always said that I give the edge to the ZL1 but the GT500 is right there with it because of the power. A 2:58 minute time on the old 2011 GT500 just proves my point.

Or it could prove that power isn't everything, and sometimes less is more ...

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by Mgizzle

Where did a GT500 without a cage, race seats and a factory driver put down a time oc 2:58?!?! Also, did u compare that to GMs ZL1 lap at VRI? Again, the shift in laptimes is in the zl1 advantage.

By the way, that FORD engine in my mind is not that great. Compare size and weight to GM motor and u will see why. Good luck making a smaller mustang fit that motor and move weight to the rear.

1. http://youtu.be/aR7PIZhFUdc

2. The 5.8L is not going in the next gen Mustang, many have stated its being phased out all together and seeing as its a 10+ year old engine design, rightfully so.

Just saying...

Also I don't think the ZL1 is a POS or the Camaro as a Whole (Considering I Own a 2010 SS). I had my reasons for getting a GT500 instead of a ZL1 and they are my business and mine alone but I can tell you I certainly didn't buy a nearly 2 ton car for its handling ability...

[KKreme15]

Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja

1. http://youtu.be/aR7PIZhFUdc

2. The 5.8L is not going in the next gen Mustang, many have stated its being phased out all together and seeing as its a 10+ year old engine design, rightfully so.

Just saying...

Also I don't think the ZL1 is a POS or the Camaro as a Whole (Considering I Own a 2010 SS). I had my reasons for getting a GT500 instead of a ZL1 and they are my business and mine alone but I can tell you I certainly didn't buy a nearly 2 ton car for its handling ability...

This wasn't an everyday driver, this was an SVT engineer. Camaro engineer did 2:52 at VIR. As for the lighting lap, it was same day same driver - so the 2011 time is moot

[The IOM Ninja]

Originally Posted by KKreme15

This wasn't an everyday driver, this was an SVT engineer. Camaro engineer did 2:52 at VIR. As for the lighting lap, it was same day same driver - so the 2011 time is moot

I miss read that part lol