Is $75,000 too much.

[Grubiks 9]

Originally Posted by Zfatuated

And Mr. Market says- there are no allocations to be found because of the value the car offers. Funny how that "reality thing" works. You could have placed your deposit a year ago for a '14 at MSRP and be cashing out today. Instead you are here trying to convince The Market it's wrong on its valuation.

Two people in one day putting words in my mouth that I never said. You took separate lines of my quote and added them together to get your desired effect. The problem is I never SAID that. Obviously there are people who DO have the money to buy them and WILL buy them. There are people who say that for the money it's a great value(when talking GT-Rs and 911s you'd be correct). I simply said that I do NOT have that kind of money. If you're going to quote me please do it correctly.

[razorz28]

The Market tells how much something is worth. Economics 101. If they Build 500 and everyone sells for 75k it is worth 75k.

It is such a silly debate IMO.

[90503]

If you had a time machine perhaps some cars would be worth the purchase price....

Is the money worth it....compared to what??....another car???....Maybe, but is the car it's compared to "worth it"?....

We all gotta drive cars, but they aren't going to make us wealthy.....Put a decent monthly car payment into a mutual fund over your lifetime....that will likely be worth it...lol...

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by RazorZL1

The Market tells how much something is worth. Economics 101. If they Build 500 and everyone sells for 75k it is worth 75k.

It is such a silly debate IMO.

Absolutely right. Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Believe me, there will be dealers asking more than $75K and guess what, someone will pay it.

[Grubiks 9]

Agreed on all 3 of your posts.

[Mikebrinda]

We knew the $75,000 price included shipping and the gas guzzler tax, but the Chevrolet website now lists the actual Z/28 MRSP, clearly separating the other charges:

MSRP from $72,705
Destination Freight Charge $995
Gas Guzzler Tax $1,300

[frayed]

Originally Posted by Grubiks 9

Given what I've read and heard, the Z/28 is an "upgraded" version of the 1LE, sharing similar suspension ideas unlike the ZL1. And while I do appreciate the awesomeness of this car, I do think they could drop the price considering you can buy two 1LEs for the price of one Z/28 with change left over. On GM's website they list a LS3 crate motor at $7760 and a LS7 crate motor at $16,500. For those without a calculator handy, that's an $8740 difference. I know that research and development is not cheap, nor are the services of Mark Stielow who championed this beast. Are the ceramic brakes, suspension upgrades, downforce upgrades, and LS7 worth and extra $32k over a 1LE because it now competes with GT-Rs and 911 Turbos? Not in my opinion no. Why not offer an option upgrade for 1LE cars to the LS7 from the LS3 for $8k-$10k more instead of charging $75k? But then it wouldn't be limited would it? I love the Z/28 and Camaro heritage in general. So who am I to judge it? Leaving the price out of it I'd own one if I could, as I'm sure nearly everyone writing in this article would. This car is an achievement for both GM and the Camaro no matter how you look at it. And as long as you realize that, what else matters in the end?

Completely disagree.

Not to be an azz, and while your post is well reasoned (to an extent), it strikes me as written by someone who has not spent a lot of time on road circuits. I say this b/c you minimize the braking and suspension modifications and focus on the motor.

The motor swap from the 1LE is compelling (who doesn't want an LS7?) but the real magic is in the myriad of modifications to the unsprung mass, and secondly, downforce.

In porsche terms the braking upgrade is 10k. I run Motons on my track car and these new dampers appear to be better than even the Motons. Tack on another 10k, easy! All the tuning that went into the suspension that can only be done after countless hours of R&D, and that development cost must be spread over the relatively low production run. Then we got sticky rubber, and forged wheels. Then all the wind tunnel work to get the front and rear to work together in terms of downforce, which then complicates suspension choice/tuning, and it becomes and expensive endeavor to design and build this car.

So, coming from the Porsche and Ferrari world, I don't think the General priced this based on it's comparative performance with a Porsche Turbo or GT3. They priced it based on what it took to design and build the car.

I have no problems with price. I do have a problem with the fact that it's a PIG, but fancy dampers have masked it's piggishness with, from all accounts, hamfisted body control.

But it's all in how you look at it and what your background is.

[backtotintops]

***just guessing here,,,
72705 msrp
-8 diff between ls3 and ls7
-7 diff between 1le brakes and z brakes
-3 recaros upgrade
-2 exhaust upgrade
-2 tires upgrade
-3 coolers and sump
-2 differential upgrade
-8 dssvs
? What is the r&d worth?

Do the math. This "pig" seems priced more than fair.

[Grubiks 9]

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[frayed]

Relax, don't bust a vein. I wasn't attacking you personally, just taking issue with how you dissected the value proposition. Dragging my choice of cars and consequent means isn't terribly relevant. I judge the Z/28 based on what it brings to the table in terms of performance and overall appeal.

And I still think you are underestimating the parts cost on the dampers and brakes.

For a fully engineered package with the suspension/brake/motor/wheel/tire/aero setup, the price is very competitive, although it will alienate many Camaro fans.

However, the car is aimed at track rats. Since it's not uncommon to blow $2k/weekend at the track, most of the track crowd I know is pretty well heeled and the Camaro is built and targeted for this group.

[McRat]

Personally, if I were GM, I'd have made the Z28 an option code, not a unique model.

This way, they don't have to worry about risks of over-production.

But, a $40k option code would freak a lot of people out.

Let's break that down:

Brakes - $15k
Wheels/tires - $5k
Aero package - $5k
LS7 dry sump - $10k
Shocks and suspension - $5k

[Grubiks 9]

I was coming back on to erase it but you already posted. I apologize, had a $hitty day and took out on here. My apologies.

"Absolutely right. Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Believe me, there will be dealers asking more than $75K and guess what, someone will pay it."

That is the bottom line really. It clearly worked, they sold them all and I have no doubts they'll sell the rest.