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Demon War Horse · 01-05-2016, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by swizlstik

Should've waited for the 2016 auto......

I love my 2014 L99 and do not care for the 2016 at all.

Besides, with cam and lifter changes that difference between the LS3 and L99 field narrows real quick.

polizzio · 01-05-2016, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by WoodBoss

I'll pull my stock L99 up to a stock V6 at the triple tree, in the end the difference is huge. After 1972 Camaros were dogs, 80s, 90s,00s not muscle cars in my mind. 2010 they brought back the muscle car. I waited 30+ years to get another one. V6 Camaros from the 60s & 70s were really slow, they looked good but no performance there!!!

And a you can pull ur stock L99 up to the tree next to a ZL1 and get spanked like a red headed step child.

VTSummit · 01-05-2016, 08:55 PM

Mr. Blair speaketh the truth. If someone offered me a tune that would add either 15ft/lbs of torque to my car OR 15hp but not both, I'd take the torque.
Low HP diesel cars are a great example you can feel. I did a vacation one year and rented a car in the South of France and drove to Geneva. It was a 1.6 litre diesel station wagon with a rating of 115hp. That damn thing pulled harder off the line (remember, the fastest cars in the world are rental cars) than my BMW 320i back home. The lithe diesel ran up steep mountain roads with very little downshifting. Torque sets you back in the seat.
My 67 Land Rover diesel only has 67hp, but I pulled a 14,000lb boat up a boat ramp with it. Torque and mechanical advantage of gearing is a wonderful thing.

drew peacock · 01-06-2016, 12:58 AM

i have a diesel hyundai 1.6l...115 bhp motor,,,midrange torque on it is amazing..pulls like a train for about 800rpm...
as stated above bhp is not everything...no petrol 1.6l i have driven has the pull of a well sorted diesel..

drew peacock · 01-06-2016, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by swizlstik

Should've waited for the 2016 auto......

too expensive and never buy first year models...not only do you pay a premium you may have issues with it...

wait a few years then buy one..

cvhjch · 01-06-2016, 08:39 AM

Don't just look at the HP as it only tells part of the story, look also at the torque ratings, big difference there....

arkentect · 01-06-2016, 09:33 AM

In reality, who in here is going fast enough on the road consistently to actually use the peak HP rating on a V8? Torque is the fun number not HP.
This is the first V8 bashing thread by a V8 owner I've seen on here lol. So I guess we need a ZL1 owner to pop in and say "shoulda bought a ZL1"

BriteCrawler · 01-06-2016, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by arkentect

So I guess we need a ZL1 owner to pop in and say "shoulda bought a ZL1"

Shoulda bought a ZL1.

/hat tip

VTSummit · 01-06-2016, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by BriteCrawler

Shoulda bought a ZL1.

/hat tip

Shoulda bought a COPO

/hat tip

RagingHawk · 01-06-2016, 11:13 AM

Agree with above posters, you don't get a chance to rev this engine out much. The low end torque is the very fun part. I was one of those who went from v6 to v8. The v6 felt lighter but didn't handle better. The steering felt heavier on the v6. It had a nice tone to it too. In the V8 while on paper it may not sound good, there is lots of power. Nowadays people consider 400lb/ft to be a small number, it isn't. Cars are getting a lot faster, the 6th gen camaro is getting close to some supercars from several years ago. With regards to the L99, past three digits the weight of the car has its toll. The 1LE does better in those higher speeds.

ZED SLED · 01-06-2016, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by VTSummit

Shoulda bought a COPO

/hat tip

Let's see how it will do around Watkins Glen

Evil-Bee-NH · 01-06-2016, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ZED SLED

Let's see how it will do around Watkins Glen

Shoulda bought a Z/28... no i don't have one but couldn't resist.

chuckstacamaro · 01-06-2016, 12:56 PM

Its all about the Torque,
LLT V6 3.6 312HP/278TQ LFX 3.6 V6 323HP/278TQ
L99 6.2 V8 400HP/410TQ LS3 6.2 V8 426HP/420TQ
Difference between V6 and V8. L99 V8 has 77HP/132TQ more than LFX V6.
LS3 V8 has 103HP/142TQ more than LFX V6.
Its all about the Torque. Torque is what give you that Low End Grunt Seat of the Pants Feeling. Horse Power gives you that Top End Speed.

GretchenGotGrowl · 01-06-2016, 01:56 PM

In these cars, how does one have more torque without making more power? Remember, HP = (TQ * RPM)/5252.

Torque is just the force (like thrust) used. Horsepower is defined as the movement of a a mass over a distance in a given time. Sounds like what we do in a race to me.

01-05-2016, 08:55 PM	#59
VTSummit Consistently inconsistent Drives: 2015 2LT Summit White Join Date: May 2015 Location: United States Posts: 1,364	Mr. Blair speaketh the truth. If someone offered me a tune that would add either 15ft/lbs of torque to my car OR 15hp but not both, I'd take the torque. Low HP diesel cars are a great example you can feel. I did a vacation one year and rented a car in the South of France and drove to Geneva. It was a 1.6 litre diesel station wagon with a rating of 115hp. That damn thing pulled harder off the line (remember, the fastest cars in the world are rental cars) than my BMW 320i back home. The lithe diesel ran up steep mountain roads with very little downshifting. Torque sets you back in the seat. My 67 Land Rover diesel only has 67hp, but I pulled a 14,000lb boat up a boat ramp with it. Torque and mechanical advantage of gearing is a wonderful thing. __________________ Thanks to MRR, I have some SWEET wheels! Thank you! 2015 2LT Ported TB, Ported intake, JACFAB intake spacer, Borla exhaust, IPF 91 tune, Complete 1/LE suspension, Brembo brakes, Goodridge lines, Elite catch can, CAI with Thermo-wrap, 275/40-20 x 10's all around, Z/28 spoiler, GM splitter, Alpine/Polk stereo with AudiControl interface.

01-06-2016, 09:33 AM	#63
arkentect Drives: 2010 Camaro SGM 1LT M6 Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 1,630	In reality, who in here is going fast enough on the road consistently to actually use the peak HP rating on a V8? Torque is the fun number not HP. This is the first V8 bashing thread by a V8 owner I've seen on here lol. So I guess we need a ZL1 owner to pop in and say "shoulda bought a ZL1" __________________ Arkentect's Build Thread!! - UPSTATE C5 MEMBER 2010 SGM M6 1LT - SOLD Current - 2009 C6 Corvette Z51

01-06-2016, 01:56 PM	#70
GretchenGotGrowl Drives: 11 F150 EB/13 Sonic RS/15 Z06 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Little Rock, AR Posts: 7,129 View My Garage	In these cars, how does one have more torque without making more power? Remember, HP = (TQ * RPM)/5252. Torque is just the force (like thrust) used. Horsepower is defined as the movement of a a mass over a distance in a given time. Sounds like what we do in a race to me. __________________ New Ride -- 2015 Z06 2LZ (stock) -- Journal Old Ride -- 2012 Camaro 2LT/RS (647 RWHP & 726 RWTQ) -- Build Thread

01-06-2016, 12:58 AM	#60
drew peacock Banned Drives: 2012 2SS INFERNO ORANGE Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: sweden Posts: 1,843	i have a diesel hyundai 1.6l...115 bhp motor,,,midrange torque on it is amazing..pulls like a train for about 800rpm... as stated above bhp is not everything...no petrol 1.6l i have driven has the pull of a well sorted diesel..

01-06-2016, 08:39 AM	#62
cvhjch Drives: ford Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: uk Posts: 4	Don't just look at the HP as it only tells part of the story, look also at the torque ratings, big difference there....

01-06-2016, 11:13 AM	#66
RagingHawk Drives: Fuel efficient compact sedan :) Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Michigan Posts: 707	Agree with above posters, you don't get a chance to rev this engine out much. The low end torque is the very fun part. I was one of those who went from v6 to v8. The v6 felt lighter but didn't handle better. The steering felt heavier on the v6. It had a nice tone to it too. In the V8 while on paper it may not sound good, there is lots of power. Nowadays people consider 400lb/ft to be a small number, it isn't. Cars are getting a lot faster, the 6th gen camaro is getting close to some supercars from several years ago. With regards to the L99, past three digits the weight of the car has its toll. The 1LE does better in those higher speeds.

01-06-2016, 12:56 PM	#69
chuckstacamaro Drives: 2014 2SS/RS BRM Purchase 03/19/2014 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Melbourne, FL Posts: 538 View My Garage	Its all about the Torque, LLT V6 3.6 312HP/278TQ LFX 3.6 V6 323HP/278TQ L99 6.2 V8 400HP/410TQ LS3 6.2 V8 426HP/420TQ Difference between V6 and V8. L99 V8 has 77HP/132TQ more than LFX V6. LS3 V8 has 103HP/142TQ more than LFX V6. Its all about the Torque. Torque is what give you that Low End Grunt Seat of the Pants Feeling. Horse Power gives you that Top End Speed.