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JusticePete · 02-19-2013, 01:46 PM

These photos are from the Chevrolet Performance display at PRI. The ZL1 diff is installed in a SS vehicle and sub-frame.

Jason P · 02-19-2013, 02:37 PM

My picture won't load for some reason, but you would have to cut the 3 mounting points for your diff. move them and reweld them to accomidate the larger center section. Yes there is room. Just didn't want a modified cradle in my car.

MA2010SS · 02-19-2013, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason P

My picture won't load for some reason, but you would have to cut the 3 mounting points for your diff. move them and reweld them to accomidate the larger center section. Yes there is room. Just didn't want a modified cradle in my car.

I think that GM may have re-tooled a few things in order to make this work as a direct bolt in? I think only the GM engineers at this point could give out the answers until the bolt in kits start shipping out

Scratch that, I looked up all the part numbers and everything is already in production with the exception of the installation instructions

Stealth 2010 2SS/RS · 02-19-2013, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MA2010SS

I think that GM may have re-tooled a few things in order to make this work as a direct bolt in? I think only the GM engineers at this point could give out the answers until the bolt in kits start shipping out

That would be great if they did but don't think they are going to say anything. I've already talked to driveshaft shop and gforce and they can make everything to work the stock ss hubs and trans. I'm just looking for the diff to work. I can user my brothers gm discount to buy the diff.

MA2010SS · 02-19-2013, 04:38 PM

http://www.chevroletperformance.com/Parts/catalog.jsp

Check out the GMPP catalog, the ZL1 differential swap is in the front most pages, I don't know exactly which page its on though. Download the 2013 catalog

JusticePete · 02-19-2013, 04:45 PM

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MA2010SS · 02-19-2013, 05:06 PM

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Thank you! Don't mean to hijack but any specials on the rear cradle bushing inserts? I am doing a fuel pump soon and since I will have the cradle out might as well do at least the inserts...PM with a price shipped to 02725

Thanks

Stealth 2010 2SS/RS · 02-19-2013, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason P

My picture won't load for some reason, but you would have to cut the 3 mounting points for your diff. move them and reweld them to accomidate the larger center section. Yes there is room. Just didn't want a modified cradle in my car.

Jason P if you could get the pics to work, I'm sure we would all love to see them.

10 2SS/RS 6M · 02-19-2013, 07:54 PM

So I can buy the ZL1 kit and have no other issues, other then what is mentioned?
Any relocating tips or parts/dimensions to bolt the diff in, like brackets etc. for the relocation, or do I have to fabricate my own?
I'd rather keep my SS sub frame unless the ZL1 cradle isn't to pricey an if it has any other benefits. I want to order the ZL1 lower control arms also and a ZL1 PHADT sway bar, much better design, (too much leverage on the sway bar linked almost in the middle of the control arm on the SS's), would improve roll and be better for the strip, the whole reason for this upgrade let alone some boost on it's way!

Stealth 2010 2SS/RS · 02-19-2013, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 2SS/RS 6M

So I can buy the ZL1 kit and have no other issues, other then what is mentioned?
Any relocating tips or parts/dimensions to bolt the diff in, like brackets etc. for the relocation, or do I have to fabricate my own?
I'd rather keep my SS sub frame unless the ZL1 cradle isn't to pricey an if it has any other benefits. I want to order the ZL1 lower control arms also and a ZL1 PHADT sway bar, much better design, (too much leverage on the sway bar linked almost in the middle of the control arm on the SS's), would improve roll and be better for the strip, the whole reason for this upgrade let alone some boost on it's way!

Thats the question I'm after also, is the ZL1 sub frame needed or not. It's about $350 or so from partstaxi.com I think. Why spend the $350 if it's not needed, this is supposed to be a bolt in kit. We need to get pics of the ZL1 diff in the ss cradle to show why it doesn't fit.

ADM PERFORMANCE · 02-19-2013, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Driveshaftshop

i don't think this is an issue, the span of the Giubo is the same and still uses a 16mm pin to center it. all you would have to really do is drill out the stock 3 finger mount on the trans from 12mm to 14mm for the larger bolts. the part is hard but not to the point were it cant be done.

Bad idea.We havethe proper part now for the manual guys,auto guys are shit outta luck for now.

The driveshaft rubber coupler has alignment hollow dowels for a reason,they locate the coupler and take all the load.You do not want to rely on a drilled out flange with just the bolts taking all the force.

We have 20 units instock that are properly machined to do the job correctly.

Jason P · 02-20-2013, 10:53 AM

Here you go

Jason P · 02-20-2013, 10:54 AM

Lower & upper control arms are the same but all the bolts to mount them are also larger.

10 2SS/RS 6M · 02-20-2013, 12:26 PM

If that's the ZL1 cradle how come it has an SS rear sway bar or did you use yours from the SS?

02-19-2013, 02:37 PM	#72
Jason P Drives: 2011 2ss Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: United States Posts: 272	My picture won't load for some reason, but you would have to cut the 3 mounting points for your diff. move them and reweld them to accomidate the larger center section. Yes there is room. Just didn't want a modified cradle in my car. __________________ 2011 2ss Ram twin plate ceramic clutch, Texas speed 418 LS3 235 /243 .621 / .624 cam, ported and polished heads with dual springs,magnum push rods, Hotchkis race pack, Stainless Power long tube headers with no cats, Magna Flo competition exhaust, lpe fuel pump, magnuson supercharger with overdrive and port matched blower plate, IW 8 rib pullies, AEM meth kit, id 850 injectors, 3 bar map, halltech cai, zl1 rear diff

02-19-2013, 04:38 PM	#75
MA2010SS Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Somerset MA Posts: 725 View My Garage	http://www.chevroletperformance.com/Parts/catalog.jsp Check out the GMPP catalog, the ZL1 differential swap is in the front most pages, I don't know exactly which page its on though. Download the 2013 catalog __________________ 2010 Camaro SS Whipple SC, CAI Inc Intake, TSP 1 7/8" LT headers no cats, 3" magnaflow exhaust, HPT, RX Catch Can, LSR Toe Rods, LSR Trailing Arms, ALKY Control Meth, McLeod RXT Twin Disc, ZL1 fuel pump, 3.73 ZL1 Differential Kit, BTR PDS Stage 2 Cam, Tuned by SLOWHAWK Performance Bridgewater MA

02-19-2013, 07:54 PM	#79
10 2SS/RS 6M Drives: 2013 Camaro ZL1 bone stock 9K miles Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 389 View My Garage	So I can buy the ZL1 kit and have no other issues, other then what is mentioned? Any relocating tips or parts/dimensions to bolt the diff in, like brackets etc. for the relocation, or do I have to fabricate my own? I'd rather keep my SS sub frame unless the ZL1 cradle isn't to pricey an if it has any other benefits. I want to order the ZL1 lower control arms also and a ZL1 PHADT sway bar, much better design, (too much leverage on the sway bar linked almost in the middle of the control arm on the SS's), would improve roll and be better for the strip, the whole reason for this upgrade let alone some boost on it's way! __________________ SLP- long tube headers, hi flow cats w/full SLP 3'' PowerFlo exhaust incl/X-pipe, 160 degree stat, SLP Blackwing CAI. Dyno tuned by ECS-407/409RWHP&TQ. BMR- trailing arms w/poly knuckle bushings, toe links, cradle bushings and differential bushings. QA1 rear lower control arms. Hurst short throw shifter, SS- level 4 axles, DSS- aluminum driveshaft, Pfadt- sport 1.5" rear sway-bar. SPOHN 1.25" front sway-bar. Monster LT1-S twin clutch. Prothane motor mounts. Best 1/4 mile so far- 12:70ET @ 112.24 MPH w/ 2.06 second 60'. SOLD.

02-20-2013, 10:53 AM	#82
Jason P Drives: 2011 2ss Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: United States Posts: 272	Here you go Attached Images __________________ 2011 2ss Ram twin plate ceramic clutch, Texas speed 418 LS3 235 /243 .621 / .624 cam, ported and polished heads with dual springs,magnum push rods, Hotchkis race pack, Stainless Power long tube headers with no cats, Magna Flo competition exhaust, lpe fuel pump, magnuson supercharger with overdrive and port matched blower plate, IW 8 rib pullies, AEM meth kit, id 850 injectors, 3 bar map, halltech cai, zl1 rear diff

02-20-2013, 10:54 AM	#83
Jason P Drives: 2011 2ss Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: United States Posts: 272	Lower & upper control arms are the same but all the bolts to mount them are also larger. __________________ 2011 2ss Ram twin plate ceramic clutch, Texas speed 418 LS3 235 /243 .621 / .624 cam, ported and polished heads with dual springs,magnum push rods, Hotchkis race pack, Stainless Power long tube headers with no cats, Magna Flo competition exhaust, lpe fuel pump, magnuson supercharger with overdrive and port matched blower plate, IW 8 rib pullies, AEM meth kit, id 850 injectors, 3 bar map, halltech cai, zl1 rear diff

02-19-2013, 01:46 PM	#71
JusticePete Drives: Camaro Justice Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 20,174	These photos are from the Chevrolet Performance display at PRI. The ZL1 diff is installed in a SS vehicle and sub-frame.

02-19-2013, 04:45 PM	#76
JusticePete Drives: Camaro Justice Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 20,174	Page 20

02-20-2013, 12:26 PM	#84
10 2SS/RS 6M Drives: 2013 Camaro ZL1 bone stock 9K miles Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 389 View My Garage	If that's the ZL1 cradle how come it has an SS rear sway bar or did you use yours from the SS? __________________ SLP- long tube headers, hi flow cats w/full SLP 3'' PowerFlo exhaust incl/X-pipe, 160 degree stat, SLP Blackwing CAI. Dyno tuned by ECS-407/409RWHP&TQ. BMR- trailing arms w/poly knuckle bushings, toe links, cradle bushings and differential bushings. QA1 rear lower control arms. Hurst short throw shifter, SS- level 4 axles, DSS- aluminum driveshaft, Pfadt- sport 1.5" rear sway-bar. SPOHN 1.25" front sway-bar. Monster LT1-S twin clutch. Prothane motor mounts. Best 1/4 mile so far- 12:70ET @ 112.24 MPH w/ 2.06 second 60'. SOLD.