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cyrusthevirus · 10-12-2011, 10:15 AM

What do you guys think it would take to push this beast to 700 hp or just under? I believe it can get very close to that limit with long tube headers, full 3" exhaust cat back, intake, Retune and pulley possible.

IROCanSS · 10-12-2011, 11:43 AM

Let's just take an SS... with all my listed mods, I gained around 55 rwhp

Baseline was like 355... now I'm at 410... that's a 15% increase... It "should" be the same here... maybe a hair more so with all that it's mire likely you'll be about 580-600 at the wheels with the pulley... Just cancel out the 15% drive train loss. If you want to talk CRANK hp, youd likely be 670-700 range... so yes if you're talk crank, you'd be right there. You could play with tune a lot and different pulleys. Also a cam and you'd be pushing 800 crank hp easy...

I would do it if I had the bank roll...

at the warranty anyhow!

cyrusthevirus · 10-12-2011, 12:29 PM

thanks for the input

91Z28350 · 10-12-2011, 12:46 PM

Check out Lingenfelter, Katech or Hennessey. They all have packages over 700 crank hp. The motor is still the lsa, so they are basing their packages on the CTS-V, but I believe it will be similar, if not greater, hp gains.

payne.jeremy82 · 10-12-2011, 04:21 PM

Lingenfelter has a package based on CTS-V LSA 700+hp that produces 623rwhp

700 +BHP *
Package Includes:
-Engine removal & removal of supercharger assembly, cylinder heads, camshaft
-Lingenfelter CNC porting & polishing of LSA cylinder heads for optimal flow
-2.165" diameter hollow stem intake valves
-1.59" diameter high temperature inconnel exhaust valves
-Lingenfelter multi-angle valve job, cc chambers, surfacing & spring height adjustment
-Competition Cams valve springs, titanium retainers, 10 degree locks
-Lingenfelter GT9 camshaft by Competition Cams 215/247.629/.656121CL
-GM Head gaskets & head bolts
-2.55inch diameter steel supercharger drive pulley
-powder coated black
-8rib-8rib serpentine belt
-Lingenfelter LS9 solid supercharger isolator coupling
-Port and polish supercharger snout
-Lingenfelter air intake duct
-K & N Air Filter
-Lingenfelter 10%overdrive harmonic balancer
-63lbs/hour fuel injectors
-Fuel injector connector change
-160degree thermostat
-Professional installation, camshaft degreeing & testing
-Engine testing & expert ECM tuning
-Chassis dyno testing before & after installation
-Excellent drivability, highway mileage not adversely affected
-Lingenfelter certificate of authenticity
-Lingenfelter 2 year/ 24,000 mile warranty

Package price –$11,245.00

this is what my ZL1 be getting along with

Forged shortblock (add) 4485.00
• Water jacket plugs, oil galley & cam bearings
• Manley forged aluminum pistons
• Total Seal Premium file fit rings
• Manley 6.125" I beam connecting rods
• Speed Pro heavy duty rod bearings
• Speed Pro heavy duty main bearings

*shortblock options subject to change in regards to actual ZL1 specifications.

Hotchkis Racepack, with billet sway bar bracket kit (installed)2964.90
BMR trailing arms and toe rods (installed)869.90

91Z28350 · 10-12-2011, 04:32 PM

OOHH!!! I was wondering how much the forged Shortblock was. I will most likely be going through ADM (since they are 15 minutes down the road), and adding one more item to a very similar setup (obviously if I do it all at once, I won't be getting the supercharger upgrades), a 2.9L Whipple!!

BiggFoot · 10-12-2011, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 91Z28350

OOHH!!! I was wondering how much the forged Shortblock was. I will most likely be going through ADM (since they are 15 minutes down the road), and adding one more item to a very similar setup (obviously if I do it all at once, I won't be getting the supercharger upgrades), a 2.9L Whipple!!

Have you talked warranty with ADM? Just curious what he is offering on something like this.

payne.jeremy82 · 10-12-2011, 04:47 PM

There is one more thing i am on the fence about but i may go ahead with for the loss of weight and proven performance now I am not saying GM doesn't have it figured out but Lingenfelter runs this in there black drag car and I think it runs 9's but I am still undecided

blaSSt · 10-12-2011, 05:48 PM

This: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133040

Hotchkis · 10-13-2011, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by payne.jeremy82

Lingenfelter has a package based on CTS-V LSA 700+hp that produces 623rwhp

700 +BHP *
Package Includes:
-Engine removal & removal of supercharger assembly, cylinder heads, camshaft
-Lingenfelter CNC porting & polishing of LSA cylinder heads for optimal flow
-2.165" diameter hollow stem intake valves
-1.59" diameter high temperature inconnel exhaust valves
-Lingenfelter multi-angle valve job, cc chambers, surfacing & spring height adjustment
-Competition Cams valve springs, titanium retainers, 10 degree locks
-Lingenfelter GT9 camshaft by Competition Cams 215/247.629/.656121CL
-GM Head gaskets & head bolts
-2.55inch diameter steel supercharger drive pulley
-powder coated black
-8rib-8rib serpentine belt
-Lingenfelter LS9 solid supercharger isolator coupling
-Port and polish supercharger snout
-Lingenfelter air intake duct
-K & N Air Filter
-Lingenfelter 10%overdrive harmonic balancer
-63lbs/hour fuel injectors
-Fuel injector connector change
-160degree thermostat
-Professional installation, camshaft degreeing & testing
-Engine testing & expert ECM tuning
-Chassis dyno testing before & after installation
-Excellent drivability, highway mileage not adversely affected
-Lingenfelter certificate of authenticity
-Lingenfelter 2 year/ 24,000 mile warranty

Package price –$11,245.00

this is what my ZL1 be getting along with

Forged shortblock (add) 4485.00
• Water jacket plugs, oil galley & cam bearings
• Manley forged aluminum pistons
• Total Seal Premium file fit rings
• Manley 6.125" I beam connecting rods
• Speed Pro heavy duty rod bearings
• Speed Pro heavy duty main bearings

*shortblock options subject to change in regards to actual ZL1 specifications.

Hotchkis Racepack, with billet sway bar bracket kit (installed)2964.90
BMR trailing arms and toe rods (installed)869.90

That's a nice big list to be on! Thanks for posting it!

91Z28350 · 10-13-2011, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by payne.jeremy82

There is one more thing i am on the fence about but i may go ahead with for the loss of weight and proven performance now I am not saying GM doesn't have it figured out but Lingenfelter runs this in there black drag car and I think it runs 9's but I am still undecided

Wonder how much weight savings there is compared to the big, cast iron pumpkin we have seen on the ZL1?

Black GT · 10-13-2011, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blaSSt

This: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133040

This is most likely what most people that want a little more power will end up doing.

looks like a good setup.

cyrusthevirus · 10-13-2011, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Black GT

This is most likely what most people that want a little more power will end up doing.

looks like a good setup.

that what i was saying before pulley, cold air, tune and exhaust i believe alot of people will be happy with the outcome!!

*radz28* · 10-13-2011, 02:48 PM

I've seen pulley kits on CTS-V with H/C push up to an alleged 19 psi on the stock 1900. This car also had an I/C upgrade, along with a lid spacer with all bolt-ons. If I remember correctly, this car was close to 650 at the tires. If you want 700 FWHP, with a 15% drivetrain loss (which I think will be closer to 18% for ZL1 because of the beefy driveline), you're going to be looking at a little more than 600 to the tires. If ZL1's rating doesn't change from 580, it should be around 500 to the tires, stock, so getting another 100 RWHP shouldn't be too bad. A consideration should be where you're coming from.

For me, I have to be as stealthy as possible because of emissions. For me, that means CARB-shorties (maybe...), no CAI (may not be completely necessary anyways, though I'm waiting to see if there's something like a Blackwing tube or something like that), and leaving a lot of the OEM exhaust (I'm planning on leaving pretty much all of the exhaust stock except the mufflers which I'll mod' like the 'Vette guys have been doing with their dual-mode mufflers). That means, I really only have pulleys, tuning, and maybe shorties. Given, a super-sharp eye will see the pulleys, but I think I might make it by with some creativity.

I believe LTs, bigger lower pulley, CAI, tune, and maybe a cam should net you close to 600 RWHP pretty easily. More boost is more heat, so maybe look into either an I/C upgrade, Superchiller, meth', or a combination of those for the 1900. Depending on what I find, I might consider a 2300, too... If you don't have to worry about emissions, it will be a lot easier.

10-12-2011, 10:15 AM	#1
cyrusthevirus Drives: 2009 chevy cobalt ss, 1989 Iroc-z Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: pa Posts: 75	Whats your take on modding for that extra power What do you guys think it would take to push this beast to 700 hp or just under? I believe it can get very close to that limit with long tube headers, full 3" exhaust cat back, intake, Retune and pulley possible.

10-12-2011, 04:47 PM	#8
payne.jeremy82 Drives: 2002 Lifted Trailblazer Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 51	There is one more thing i am on the fence about but i may go ahead with for the loss of weight and proven performance now I am not saying GM doesn't have it figured out but Lingenfelter runs this in there black drag car and I think it runs 9's but I am still undecided Attached Images

10-12-2011, 05:48 PM	#9
blaSSt Drives: 98 SS, 15 COPO, 09 ZR1 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 442 View My Garage	This: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133040 __________________ On the internet - Anything is possible, especially when you don't know what you are talking about.

10-13-2011, 02:48 PM	#14
radz28 Petro-sexual Drives: Ultra-Grin Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Crazy Coast Posts: 15,186 View My Garage	I've seen pulley kits on CTS-V with H/C push up to an alleged 19 psi on the stock 1900. This car also had an I/C upgrade, along with a lid spacer with all bolt-ons. If I remember correctly, this car was close to 650 at the tires. If you want 700 FWHP, with a 15% drivetrain loss (which I think will be closer to 18% for ZL1 because of the beefy driveline), you're going to be looking at a little more than 600 to the tires. If ZL1's rating doesn't change from 580, it should be around 500 to the tires, stock, so getting another 100 RWHP shouldn't be too bad. A consideration should be where you're coming from. For me, I have to be as stealthy as possible because of emissions. For me, that means CARB-shorties (maybe...), no CAI (may not be completely necessary anyways, though I'm waiting to see if there's something like a Blackwing tube or something like that), and leaving a lot of the OEM exhaust (I'm planning on leaving pretty much all of the exhaust stock except the mufflers which I'll mod' like the 'Vette guys have been doing with their dual-mode mufflers). That means, I really only have pulleys, tuning, and maybe shorties. Given, a super-sharp eye will see the pulleys, but I think I might make it by with some creativity. I believe LTs, bigger lower pulley, CAI, tune, and maybe a cam should net you close to 600 RWHP pretty easily. More boost is more heat, so maybe look into either an I/C upgrade, Superchiller, meth', or a combination of those for the 1900. Depending on what I find, I might consider a 2300, too... If you don't have to worry about emissions, it will be a lot easier. __________________ '20 ZL1 Black "Fury" A10, PDR, Exposed CF Extractor Magnuson Magnum DI TVS2650R // RFBG // Soler 103 // TooHighPSI Port Injection // THPSI Billet Lid // FF // Katech Drop-In // PLM Heat Exchanger // ZLE Cradle bushings // BMR Chassis-Suspension Stuff // aFe Bars // Diode Dynamics LEDs // ACS Composites Guards // CF Dash // Aeroforce // tint // other stuffs

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10-12-2011, 11:43 AM	#2
IROCanSS Account Suspended Drives: 89 IROC 350 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Back roads, southern Ohio Posts: 12,504 View My Garage	Let's just take an SS... with all my listed mods, I gained around 55 rwhp Baseline was like 355... now I'm at 410... that's a 15% increase... It "should" be the same here... maybe a hair more so with all that it's mire likely you'll be about 580-600 at the wheels with the pulley... Just cancel out the 15% drive train loss. If you want to talk CRANK hp, youd likely be 670-700 range... so yes if you're talk crank, you'd be right there. You could play with tune a lot and different pulleys. Also a cam and you'd be pushing 800 crank hp easy... I would do it if I had the bank roll... at the warranty anyhow!

10-12-2011, 12:29 PM	#3
cyrusthevirus Drives: 2009 chevy cobalt ss, 1989 Iroc-z Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: pa Posts: 75	thanks for the input

10-12-2011, 12:46 PM	#4
91Z28350 Drives: 2012 GT500 SVTPP 2010 Traverse LTZ Join Date: May 2009 Location: Roanoke,TX Posts: 665	Check out Lingenfelter, Katech or Hennessey. They all have packages over 700 crank hp. The motor is still the lsa, so they are basing their packages on the CTS-V, but I believe it will be similar, if not greater, hp gains.

10-12-2011, 04:21 PM	#5
payne.jeremy82 Drives: 2002 Lifted Trailblazer Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 51	Lingenfelter has a package based on CTS-V LSA 700+hp that produces 623rwhp 700 +BHP * Package Includes: -Engine removal & removal of supercharger assembly, cylinder heads, camshaft -Lingenfelter CNC porting & polishing of LSA cylinder heads for optimal flow -2.165" diameter hollow stem intake valves -1.59" diameter high temperature inconnel exhaust valves -Lingenfelter multi-angle valve job, cc chambers, surfacing & spring height adjustment -Competition Cams valve springs, titanium retainers, 10 degree locks -Lingenfelter GT9 camshaft by Competition Cams 215/247.629/.656121CL -GM Head gaskets & head bolts -2.55inch diameter steel supercharger drive pulley -powder coated black -8rib-8rib serpentine belt -Lingenfelter LS9 solid supercharger isolator coupling -Port and polish supercharger snout -Lingenfelter air intake duct -K & N Air Filter -Lingenfelter 10%overdrive harmonic balancer -63lbs/hour fuel injectors -Fuel injector connector change -160degree thermostat -Professional installation, camshaft degreeing & testing -Engine testing & expert ECM tuning -Chassis dyno testing before & after installation -Excellent drivability, highway mileage not adversely affected -Lingenfelter certificate of authenticity -Lingenfelter 2 year/ 24,000 mile warranty Package price –$11,245.00 this is what my ZL1 be getting along with Forged shortblock (add) 4485.00 • Water jacket plugs, oil galley & cam bearings • Manley forged aluminum pistons • Total Seal Premium file fit rings • Manley 6.125" I beam connecting rods • Speed Pro heavy duty rod bearings • Speed Pro heavy duty main bearings *shortblock options subject to change in regards to actual ZL1 specifications. Hotchkis Racepack, with billet sway bar bracket kit (installed)2964.90 BMR trailing arms and toe rods (installed)869.90

10-12-2011, 04:32 PM	#6
91Z28350 Drives: 2012 GT500 SVTPP 2010 Traverse LTZ Join Date: May 2009 Location: Roanoke,TX Posts: 665	OOHH!!! I was wondering how much the forged Shortblock was. I will most likely be going through ADM (since they are 15 minutes down the road), and adding one more item to a very similar setup (obviously if I do it all at once, I won't be getting the supercharger upgrades), a 2.9L Whipple!!