10-23-2013, 07:50 AM | #113 |
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Do people still really think that the GT500 goes to Shelby in Las vegas first?
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10-23-2013, 10:23 AM | #114 | |
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Kudos to Ford for recognizing that a popularly-priced sporty 4-seater of conventional (front-engine RWD) design would sell like hotcakes - VOILA, the MUSTANG!! So, from day one, 4/17/64, Ford had a head start. PERIOD! And they read the tea leaves consistently very well. INCLUDING Mustang II - check their sales numbers in Model year '74 for confirmation. Go back to the 1968 Mustang brochure, and what do you find? Tunnel Port 302s, that never made it to showroom floors. One engineering mule aside, which was humbled by a Cross Ram Z/28. This followed the '67 brochure's bogey of offering 427 Mustangs, of which none were factory-built. So much for "Total Performance". 1968 brochure - http://www.oldcarbrochures.com/stati...ustang-16.html 1968 C&D test - http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...ved-comparison What to do? The BOSS, in ultimately 2 versions over 3 Model Years, '69-'71. Why? To WIN the Championship! Which they succeeded in doing in 1 of the 3 years in Trans Am. Sales: Total Production of Z/28s '67 = 602 '68 = 7,199 '69 = 20,302 '70 = 8,733 '71 = 4,862 Total Production of BOSSes '69 = 1,628 '70 = 6,319 '71 = 1,806 Who understood "Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday" better, in those days in this niche market? Pretty clear. Again, credit where credit is due. Who created the segment? Ford. Who's marketed successfully for now-50 years continuously? Ford. Who reacts to whom? Both. Fast-forward (pun intended). What's any of this have to do with GM's kick-ass-and-take-no-prisoners '14 Z/28? Exactly that. Once again. But I have faith that the Gen-6 versions from BOTH brands will accept, FULLY, the "challenge" of overcoming a very HIGH benchmark set by "ol' LARD ASS"! The one that weighs the same as a GT 500, gives up a TON of power-to-weight 31%!!), and will have a lead into the next county after 10 laps. BTW, as Al has alluded to, NO MUSTANG is/was considered a direct sales competitor to this car. If you think the BOSS LS (only and specifically) handled foreign competition, wait till those same foreigners line up against this Z/28. Isn't competition a wonderful thing?! |
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I don't think I have seen a post miss the mark as far as 97SS' did.
First, the 302 in the new BOSS is about as related to the old 302 as the LS7 is to the DZ302. Both Ford motors are 302 V8s that run on gas and that's where the similarities end. The LS7 and DZ302 are both small block V8s that run on gas. Oh, and they are both push rod V8s. Even more related than the Ford 302s. Second, why can't you understand that GM ran the Z/28 against the BOSS because that is probably going to be one of the first comparison journalists do when they get their hands on one (if Ford gives them a BOSS). Everyone at GM and their mothers knew the Z/28 would smoke the BOSS but that's what people want to see. Even Al said they are aiming for GT-Rs and GT3s. |
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10-30-2013, 03:49 PM | #120 |
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4 seconds is great, but then considering the wait for the ZED, the fancy Canadian suspension, the really fat tires, the 7 litre, big torque advantage, Carbon brakes and the IRS I'd bloody hope it would kill off the car. Oh, wait isn't that car's run already dead?
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You mean like the Cobra's AKA Terminators vs LS1 Camaros? But that doesn't get in the way of the Ford fanboys. I don't get what's so hard to understand about GM knowing that the Z/28 would smoke the BOSS 302 around the track. Everyone knew it would happen but that's what people wanted to see. |
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10-30-2013, 04:59 PM | #122 |
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The new Boss302 was Ford's "throw-back" tribute to "back in the day", and the same for the new Z/28....Just a formality, traditional comparison, that's now out of the way before the Z/28 moves on to it's real target competitors...
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Now that's sounds a little fanboy. I expect better from you. Exactly!
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Fanboy in that I own and love my Mustang, sure, and that it remains a high point in the current run. Still impressed by the Camaro Z/28 numbers, but not the price or the late delivery. If I had not bought the Boss I probably would have ended up with the ZL1 or 1LE, and then been pissed when the Z/28 came along. Or maybe not, since I probably couldn't afford what's it's going to fetch in Canada. Anyway, not to take anything away from the Z/28, but I think it would be well worth waiting for the next one. Imagine all this tech, or even half of it riding on the new platform. I bet that will be truly impressive.
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11-01-2013, 01:38 PM | #125 |
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No doubt the 6Gen will be a better car, however the fact that you can buy a Camaro with CC brakes, active aero, an F1 styled suspension, dry-sump, factory weight reduction, "R" rated tires and a High-Revving "427" in it for the year 2014 is UNBELIEVABLE!
It's time to celebrate!!!
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11-01-2013, 02:42 PM | #126 |
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I am not buying this chart. In my mind I can't fathom the 2013 GT500 beign slower teh boss or the 1le.
unless GM did the trick of running the base model and not the TP/PP car which they may have done to be sneaky. then I can see it as the factory base suspension is goint to be a bit to soft.
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