Ed Welburn Calls Out Lincoln

[trademaster]

Originally Posted by mikeyg36

I would say Cadillac has easily beaten Lexus with the CTS and ATS (the only segments that they compete in).

I don't know where you get that idea. The IS is so much better than the ATS imo. ATS feels cheaper to me. I would give the edge to CTS over GS, but mostly because of the V-Sport and awesome looks of the new CTS. Regardless, LS is still vastly superior to anything Cadillac offers and until Cadillac enters that arena they won't be considered a true luxury brand to many. It's more of an entry-level luxury brand at the moment.

[mikeyg36]

Originally Posted by trademaster

I don't know where you get that idea. The IS is so much better than the ATS imo. ATS feels cheaper to me. I would give the edge to CTS over GS, but mostly because of the V-Sport and awesome looks of the new CTS. Regardless, LS is still vastly superior to anything Cadillac offers and until Cadillac enters that arena they won't be considered a true luxury brand to many. It's more of an entry-level luxury brand at the moment.

All Lexus' are glorified Toyotas.

[trademaster]

Originally Posted by mikeyg36

All Lexus' are glorified Toyotas.

Spoken like a true fanboy. The Lexus LS is more luxurious than anything General Motors offers, "glorified Toyota" or not. Saying an LS is a glorified Toyota is like saying an A8 is a glorified Volkswagen. It is still an extremely fine automobile and a car Cadillac will have to contend with to become a recognized top-tier luxury brand on the global stage.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by trademaster

Spoken like a true fanboy. The Lexus LS is more luxurious than anything General Motors offers, "glorified Toyota" or not. Saying an LS is a glorified Toyota is like saying an A8 is a glorified Volkswagen. It is still an extremely fine automobile.

Opinions are like A-holes everyone has one and that is just what yours is opinion. Don't get upset when someone else's doesn't line up with yours. I agree with him in a way. I've been in my share of Lexus products, and I truly believe that Caddys are fare nicer in just about every way.

I have to see also that I too see just an overpriced Toyota when it comes to Lexus. Sorry to hurt your feelings. I would take an A8 over anything Lexus makes for sure.

[right to travel]

mkz>xts all day.different styles of luxury though luxury/sport (caddy) vs classic luxury (lincoln).

[trademaster]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Opinions are like A-holes everyone has one and that is just what yours is opinion. Don't get upset when someone else's doesn't line up with yours. I agree with him in a way. I've been in my share of Lexus products, and I truly believe that Caddys are fare nicer in just about every way.

I have to see also that I too see just an overpriced Toyota when it comes to Lexus. Sorry to hurt your feelings. I would take an A8 over anything Lexus makes for sure.

There is opinion and there is obnoxious casuistry. Because you are incapable of seeing past the comparison to a Japanese automobile you both have completely missed the point of my post -- until Cadillac is ready to enter the super-lux sedan market and compete with cars like the LS, A8, 7-series, and S-class it will never be recognized as a true luxury brand on the global stage.

[mikeyg36]

Originally Posted by trademaster

Spoken like a true fanboy. The Lexus LS is more luxurious than anything General Motors offers, "glorified Toyota" or not. Saying an LS is a glorified Toyota is like saying an A8 is a glorified Volkswagen. It is still an extremely fine automobile and a car Cadillac will have to contend with to become a recognized top-tier luxury brand on the global stage.

I'm not a fan boy, it's what I believe. Cadillac used to be glorified Chevy, but not anymore. That's great that you like the LS, but I don't see MT, R&T, and C&D giving it rave reviews and calling it COTY.

[its a syn]

I've owned a 76' Coupe d' ville ,74 sedan d'ville , 80' Seville. Caddys turn my head when I see them especially now. A Lincoln has never turned my head. Ok a 50's Lincoln will snap it around.

[1QwikZ28]

Call me crazy, but I chose a Navigator over the Escalade. Wife was settled on getting the Caddy until we stopped by the Ford/Lincoln dealership next door after test driving the Escalade. The Navigator just rode better the interior was nicer IMO. I was surprised that the Navigator was a better driving experience.

[yzrider58]

The biggest advantage is Cadillac has shed the old man car image. I live near an Air Force and an Army base and I see quite a few Caddys being driven by young airman. The most common model I see is the CTS and I'm starting to see a few ATS's. To be honest I can't even remember seeing a Lincoln in the past month.

Lincoln was also just poorly ranked for retaining value. I really don't think they even have a dog in the fight.

http://autos.yahoo.com/news/electric...190211536.html

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Do I think Cadillac is a competitor to Lincoln? No. But so I think that Cadillac is on BMW, Audi, and Mercedes Benz level? No.

I think Cadillac is in their awkward middle school stage. Without a doubt, they're improving their products. But they aren't BMW, Audi and Mercedes competitors..yet.

[FenwickHockey65]

When the Omega flagship arrives, I don't think there will be any question who is the legitimate luxury brand between Cadillac and Lincoln.

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What's the status on the Elmiraj?

[FenwickHockey65]

Whether or not they'll actually build the concept itself is still in question. Welburn spoke about it a few weeks ago but his answer was really weird and cryptic. He said something along the lines of, "Oh yeah, that thing, well we're really busy working on stuff, so I don't know."

The concept was definitely built on Omega though. A lot of the design will probably translate over to the sedan.