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jrpxxii · 08-09-2013, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by old motorhead

Attababy

Sucks to go through what you're going through. Sounds like you have an excellent attitude about it. Whoa is me won't get it rebuilt bigger and badder. Best of luck to you!

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Originally Posted by Supercharged SS

Someone needs to catch the gremlin running around the country breaking engines!!

No kidding. It was not a good weekend for 5th gens for sure

10aSSee D · 08-09-2013, 09:00 PM

Can't wait to see this build!!

H-E · 08-10-2013, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jrpxxii

Definitely coming back bigger and badder. Going with an aluminum block this time and more cubes with more compression.

Now your talking!! I have a Warhawk block like we use in the record holding GTO,runs 8.70s @3900 lbs..Call me up ill help you all I can

*SSE 4 2SS* · 08-10-2013, 03:04 PM

Wow Jason, sorry to hear but you know the reason... So I'll not state the obvious... I'm thrilled with my ERL, they are running a bit behind now though. Their main engine assembler passed earlier this year... Having said that, they are extremely good blocks... Look at their Turbo Extreme build... If I blow mine up again that's what I'll go with...

http://www.erlperformance.com/gm-ls-...-block-sleeved

It lists 1500 hp but my four bolt is way beyond that at the flywheel with no issue with the motor. We are not pushing any water... LSA heads and oversized head studs... There is a sand dragster pushing 2200 hp with turbos on my exact same rotating assembly, with four bolt heads...

Give em a call and see what they can do for you... I'll get you a contact name if you need it...

Gotthat02fire · 08-10-2013, 03:29 PM

Hey brother been a while sorry for your loss but I have to amit I am excited to see what you do next!

PoleCat2SSRS2010 · 08-10-2013, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jrpxxii

Definitely wasn't the block as it was timing that caused the heads to lift. It was hot out and intake temps went up and computer couldn't pull timing fast enough. Since I now have the option I'm going with an RHS or an ERL block this time. Can u price me a 436 block?

How is a new block of any brand going to solve the computer timing adjustment problem that you mention?

Shouldn't a better grade of fuel be in question instead?

If you go RHS or ERL LS9/A block there is the piston squirter option that will reduce the heat of the piston. Seems to help the ricers while they run timing and high boost numbers that your F2 is capable of producing.

Other than increasing the deck thickness of the heads or block, the other item is the head bolts and making sure that the strongest grade is used.

None of above which will change how the computer responds.

jrpxxii · 08-10-2013, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by PoleCat2SSRS2010

How is a new block of any brand going to solve the computer timing adjustment problem that you mention?

Shouldn't a better grade of fuel be in question instead?

If you go RHS or ERL LS9/A block there is the piston squirter option that will reduce the heat of the piston. Seems to help the ricers while they run timing and high boost numbers that your F2 is capable of producing.

Other than increasing the deck thickness of the heads or block, the other item is the head bolts and making sure that the strongest grade is used.

None of above which will change how the computer responds.

Thanks for your insight but I already stated I knew the cause. Surely your not implying I actually thought a new block would fix this issue? I'm only talking about the new block because it will be much lighter. The timing wasn't that far off as yes it allowed the heads to lift but it didn't eat plugs and throw shit everywhere. Intake temps went up and it didnt pull enough timing fast enough. Again, this is not a street car that is tuned to run pump gas and be a daily driver. It's a full out race motor that only runs c16 race fuel so fuel is not an issue. We r still learning the Holley dominator software. If u ever go to the race track people blow shit up everyday. That's just part of this sport when your pushing the limits. Ill get my new motor installed and be safe on timing and back in the power from there. Most people would freak out over this but I fully expect to be breaking stuff trying to push the envelope.

JLE58 · 08-10-2013, 05:33 PM

How much boost were you running when you lifted the heads?

BLACK10 · 08-10-2013, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jrpxxii

Thanks for your insight but I already stated I knew the cause. Surely your not implying I actually thought a new block would fix this issue? I'm only talking about the new block because it will be much lighter. The timing wasn't that far off as yes it allowed the heads to lift but it didn't eat plugs and throw shit everywhere. Intake temps went up and it didnt pull enough timing fast enough. Again, this is not a street car that is tuned to run pump gas and be a daily driver. It's a full out race motor that only runs c16 race fuel so fuel is not an issue. We r still learning the Holley dominator software. If u ever go to the race track people blow shit up everyday. That's just part of this sport when your pushing the limits. Ill get my new motor installed and be safe on timing and back in the power from there. Most people would freak out over this but I fully expect to be breaking stuff trying to push the envelope.

UF4LIFE102SS · 08-10-2013, 05:44 PM

30lbs

blake-b · 08-10-2013, 05:52 PM

Jason, have you looked at the LSnext block from Dart?

http://www.dartheads.com/products/en...ext-block.html

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=518959

I realize this may not be exactly what you want and I am not sure about oil pan fitment but might be worth looking into.

stangkilr · 08-10-2013, 05:57 PM

Sorry to hear about your troubles. I would be going with an RHS block if I were in your shoes.

PoleCat2SSRS2010 · 08-10-2013, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jrpxxii

Thanks for your insight but I already stated I knew the cause. Surely your not implying I actually thought a new block would fix this issue? I'm only talking about the new block because it will be much lighter. The timing wasn't that far off as yes it allowed the heads to lift but it didn't eat plugs and throw shit everywhere. Intake temps went up and it didnt pull enough timing fast enough. Again, this is not a street car that is tuned to run pump gas and be a daily driver. It's a full out race motor that only runs c16 race fuel so fuel is not an issue. We r still learning the Holley dominator software. If u ever go to the race track people blow shit up everyday. That's just part of this sport when your pushing the limits. Ill get my new motor installed and be safe on timing and back in the power from there. Most people would freak out over this but I fully expect to be breaking stuff trying to push the envelope.

So this sounds more like the tune/r was a contributor.

Yes, I have seen lots of other people breaking on the track since the 1980s. I have even personally made my own scrap.

As for the RHS, you probably already know of the proprietary ancillary components since it sounds like you are already looking into it. I am enjoying mine.

good luck with what ever you decide. hope everything works out with your track car.

Matt @ FSP · 08-10-2013, 08:11 PM

The RHS block does come with the cam plate/rear cover plate.. The one aspect is the front timing cover. You can weld up the stock cover and move the cam sensor up, which we do most of the time.. LPE offers a cover for $159, and then $250 through Comp for the 2 piece cover kit. C5R timing chain with 2 extra links not a problem.. Past that you need a link bar lifter set (I like the Comp Short Travels for Hydraulic or the Comp race solids), and plugs for the oil squirters if you are not using them.

08-09-2013, 09:00 PM	#16
10aSSee D Drives: Silver 2010 SS Camaro Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: TN Posts: 2,562	Can't wait to see this build!! __________________ MODS: ADM built 417, 2.9L Whipple with 3.250 pulley, ADM ported and polished LSA heads,ADM stage3 cam,ADM LSA belt drive system,ADM CAI race scoop, ADM dual fuel pumps, ID 850's, BMR full suspension, Gforce 9 inch kit with 3.5 inch driveshaft, Street Slayer twin carbon clutch, Lingenfelter oil seperator. Tuned by built by ADM Performance, 763rwhp,705rwtq

08-10-2013, 03:04 PM	#18
SSE 4 2SS Boosted Moderator Drives: Bone Stock LS3 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Marion Tx Posts: 15,476	Wow Jason, sorry to hear but you know the reason... So I'll not state the obvious... I'm thrilled with my ERL, they are running a bit behind now though. Their main engine assembler passed earlier this year... Having said that, they are extremely good blocks... Look at their Turbo Extreme build... If I blow mine up again that's what I'll go with... http://www.erlperformance.com/gm-ls-...-block-sleeved It lists 1500 hp but my four bolt is way beyond that at the flywheel with no issue with the motor. We are not pushing any water... LSA heads and oversized head studs... There is a sand dragster pushing 2200 hp with turbos on my exact same rotating assembly, with four bolt heads... Give em a call and see what they can do for you... I'll get you a contact name if you need it... __________________ If the car feels like it is on rails, you are probably driving too slow. -Ross Bentley Horsepower is how fast you hit the wall. Torque is how far you take the wall with you. “If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough.” Mario Andretti If you can turn, you ain't going fast enough...

08-10-2013, 03:29 PM	#19
Gotthat02fire Drives: 2010 Camaro 1ss IOM Join Date: May 2009 Location: Williamsport,PA Posts: 2,246 View My Garage	Hey brother been a while sorry for your loss but I have to amit I am excited to see what you do next! __________________ Jannetty Racing Built and Tuned 416 Maggie Max Package even better now!

08-10-2013, 05:44 PM	#24
UF4LIFE102SS Treasure Coast Camaro 5 Drives: 2010 2 SS Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Vero Beach, FL. Posts: 4,239 View My Garage	30lbs __________________

08-10-2013, 05:57 PM	#26
stangkilr Drives: 2017 Camaro ZL1 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Missouri Posts: 621	Sorry to hear about your troubles. I would be going with an RHS block if I were in your shoes. __________________ 2017 ZL1 2014 Corvette 2002 Camaro

08-10-2013, 05:33 PM	#22
JLE58 Drives: CGM,twin turbo, cam 2010 SS/RS Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: ROCKMART, GA Posts: 2,185	How much boost were you running when you lifted the heads?

08-10-2013, 05:52 PM	#25
blake-b Drives: 2009 ZR1 Join Date: May 2010 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,205	Jason, have you looked at the LSnext block from Dart? http://www.dartheads.com/products/en...ext-block.html http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=518959 I realize this may not be exactly what you want and I am not sure about oil pan fitment but might be worth looking into.

08-10-2013, 08:11 PM	#28
Matt @ FSP Drives: 2011 Camaro SS Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 2,610	The RHS block does come with the cam plate/rear cover plate.. The one aspect is the front timing cover. You can weld up the stock cover and move the cam sensor up, which we do most of the time.. LPE offers a cover for $159, and then $250 through Comp for the 2 piece cover kit. C5R timing chain with 2 extra links not a problem.. Past that you need a link bar lifter set (I like the Comp Short Travels for Hydraulic or the Comp race solids), and plugs for the oil squirters if you are not using them.