Pedders Makes a GTO hit a 1.02g skid pad

[Info@PeddersUSA.com]

The Pontiac GTO arrived in the USA a solid sport coupe. Many owners wanted more. Raising the bar for handling with a chassis that was a decade old when the car began production is a real challenge and one that Pedders was ready for. We test two GTOs on the skid pad. First is Wretched Motorsports 2005 running a Pedders Xa Track eXtreme with Bridgestone RE11 tires. The second is the Pedders USA Wide-Body GTO Justice with a full Justice Package and Bridgestone Pole Position tires.

Robís GTO has now tested .97 with Bridgestone REO10 and RE11. The limiting factor on Robís GTO is ride height. Due to driving conditions in his area his car sits taller than the optimal setup. That said, a .97 by a GTO is a remarkable accomplishment setting the bar high for the GTO Justice. The Pedders USA, LLC Wide-Body has the same rear track as a Dodge Viper and the front track is actually 2î wider than a Viper. Equipped with every Pedders suspension component including a fast ratio steering rack and a ProCharger on 18x11 rear wheels with Bridgestone Pole Positions 295/30/XL and 18x10 with 275/35 Front. can we get a G?

Wretched Motorsports GTO was tested at the New Jersey Motorsports Park with professional drivers Chris Brannon and Stan Wilson on a fresh asphalt pad. The Wide-Body GTO was tested at a vacant Michigan automotive supplier plant on decades old asphalt with large tar strips, bumps and debris and driven by the President of Pedders USA. The question is ñ can the Pedders GTO reach 1 G on the pad?




Now we present this thread to the Camaro community because we are not finished yet with Camaro testing. but to be able to get a 10-15 year old platform that was made for small Opels to turn over 1.0g and to get a G8 to turn 1.05g, we are expecting to have some great numbers for the Camaro when we are all done.

thanks
mike
dms

[SoloSK71]

1.1G maybe?

- SK

[CamaroSpike23]

noice.

[That Guy]

Not impressed. Let's see it on stock tires and wheels! Anything can do better with bigger wheels and better tires!

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by That Guy

Not impressed. Let's see it on stock tires and wheels! Anything can do better with bigger wheels and better tires!

[Info@PeddersUSA.com]

Originally Posted by That Guy

Not impressed. Let's see it on stock tires and wheels! Anything can do better with bigger wheels and better tires!

You cannot take a car from .83 to 1.02 with any wheel and tire combo! I do not think you can even get to a .93g with a Camaro SS with any street tire.

mike
dms

[That Guy]

I would love to see tests of your product on a car using stock tires and wheels. When you add better tires and bigger wheels to the mix, the results are not a true comparison to how much better you are than stock. That is my problem.

[Info@PeddersUSA.com]

Originally Posted by That Guy

I would love to see tests of your product on a car using stock tires and wheels. When you add better tires and bigger wheels to the mix, the results are not a true comparison to how much better you are than stock. That is my problem.

It is true wheels and tires do make a difference. Bu it is all about what you can do in the handling mode. It is possible to set up a Pedders system with Xa coil overs that would totally exceed the abilities of the OE wheels and tires.
Look at the guys talking about spending very serious money on engine upgrades. As it is now, the tires on the Camaro cannot put down what the vehicle can deliver currently.

Now we know we can take off 2.5 seconds off lap times on a stock Camaro SS with our Pedders Xa coil overs at the first attempt of setup at Gingerman. Not really sure you can do that with any street tire. We think we can get 4 seconds total with a complete Pedders system and selected street tires.

mike
dms

thanks
mike
dms

[That Guy]

Your testing is not right. You are still comparing apples to oranges on everying your company has posted. With your lateral g test, why don't you get a base line with the same bigger wheels and tires on the same track on a stock G8? Your web site shows a stock trim G8 with stock tires/wheels then your product with much better tire/wheel combo. Your testing methods are weak and misleading to consumers. The only real test posted by an independent (Edmunds) trashes your product.

[DeathChill]

Originally Posted by That Guy

Your testing is not right. You are still comparing apples to oranges on everying your company has posted. With your lateral g test, why don't you get a base line with the same bigger wheels and tires on the same track on a stock G8? Your web site shows a stock trim G8 with stock tires/wheels then your product with much better tire/wheel combo. Your testing methods are weak and misleading to consumers. The only real test posted by an independent (Edmunds) trashes your product.

Link to test? I was trying to find it but Edmunds is a horribly designed site that should burn in hell.

As for the pedders guys, what are you aiming for with the Camaro and on average how much doe a suspension upgrade cost from you guys?

[That Guy]

Here is the full article.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=149946

Below is the part about the suspension. Notice the independent testing done by Edmunds when they compared the stock Camaro with the Pederized Camaro using similar testing methods:

Bad Suspension
But the HPE550's roughest edges are in its suspension. The thick rubber adds a lot of effort to the steering with no commensurate return in precision or feedback. And those massive 315-millimeter-wide rear meats overfill the wheelwells so that scraping is heard during even modest cornering.

Living with the big tires is one thing, but the stiff coil-over springs and shock are something else. It's not so much that the ride is unbearable as it is that the springs aren't matched up well with the shocks. So it's over-sprung and under-damped; the car doesn't settle after a bump or recover easily after a hard corner and it gets sloppy during quick transitions.

Plus, its 0.87g skid-pad orbit and 68.7-mph slalom speeds are no better than stock (the stock Camaro SS pulled 0.88g on the pad and slalomed at 68.6 mph), so what's the point? This car should do better considering its cost and huge contact patches.

Since the HPE550 runs standard Camaro SS brakes (including the Brembo four-piston front calipers), we expected them to work, and they do. It stopped from 60 mph in 109 feet just like the stock Camaro. But a bit of suspension tuning would also improve this performance if the car was more settled and better able to exploit its additional rubber.

[Info@PeddersUSA.com]

Originally Posted by DeathChill

Link to test? I was trying to find it but Edmunds is a horribly designed site that should burn in hell.

As for the pedders guys, what are you aiming for with the Camaro and on average how much doe a suspension upgrade cost from you guys?

to start, we will have lots of systems for all kinds of budgets, so there is no average system. You can visit our web site and see what we have posted, which will be a partial listing of what ultimately we will post.

To That Guy, our tests are under no way bogus. Our Benchmark testing that we did, were not done by us. They were done by some professional drivers.

We do know that we can do partial tests on various levels. Most of our tests, including the 2 GTOs here, were done with our 2 versions of our Track II.

No for the bull!@#$%^&* Edmunds evaluation, the test was done on a very dirty lot, while the drivers were "challenged" dealing with the power the motor produces. The very next day, a serious magazine did the exact same test and it was SERIOUSLY different. I cannot reveal it yet, but the article should be in print within the next 4 weeks or so.

But lets go back to the Edmunds test. They also said the SS stock Camaro will only turn a .83g I believe. Now this should be the first alarm because multiple mags have done the exact same tests with the SS turning a .90g and the 6cyl with 20 inch wheels turned a .93g

We will be doing 2 track testing in Texas in the next couple of weeks, and also another track testing in AZ. We will be given the time to do our analysis, including corner weighting on the newest 2 versions of the Hennessey Camaros.

The editor of Edmonds, has not returned my email!

mike
dms

[THE EVIL TW1N]

Originally Posted by dms

to start, we will have lots of systems for all kinds of budgets, so there is no average system. You can visit our web site and see what we have posted, which will be a partial listing of what ultimately we will post.

To That Guy, our tests are under no way bogus. Our Benchmark testing that we did, were not done by us. They were done by some professional drivers.

We do know that we can do partial tests on various levels. Most of our tests, including the 2 GTOs here, were done with our 2 versions of our Track II.

No for the bull!@#$%^&* Edmunds evaluation, the test was done on a very dirty lot, while the drivers were "challenged" dealing with the power the motor produces. The very next day, a serious magazine did the exact same test and it was SERIOUSLY different. I cannot reveal it yet, but the article should be in print within the next 4 weeks or so.

But lets go back to the Edmunds test. They also said the SS stock Camaro will only turn a .83g I believe. Now this should be the first alarm because multiple mags have done the exact same tests with the SS turning a .90g and the 6cyl with 20 inch wheels turned a .93g

We will be doing 2 track testing in Texas in the next couple of weeks, and also another track testing in AZ. We will be given the time to do our analysis, including corner weighting on the newest 2 versions of the Hennessey Camaros.

The editor of Edmonds, has not returned my email!

mike
dms

It said the stock camaro was .88 g's. The stock GT500 in that article, for comparison sake, did it in .93. Didn't seem to affect it too much, maybe the surface wasn't as bad as you thought.

regardless, Pedders should do a test of the wheels/tires on the stock cars for a real comparison if they really stand behind their products. It's misleading otherwise.

[pharmd]

This is very concerning to me...with the number of other vendors that will be working on similar products. I'd sure hate to purchase only to have to sell and buy another set of springs/shocks.