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mp51998 · 01-12-2012, 08:48 PM

What does Full Bolt Ons for a 2SS consist of exactly. CAI, Headers, Hi flo cats, ported TB, and what else? Thx

The Stig · 01-12-2012, 08:52 PM

Long tube headers, CAI, ported TB, high flow cats, 3" exhaust, water pump (?), under drive pulley, torque converter (?), dyno tune

I'm not putting cam in there because a cam swap is the equivalent of open heart surgery.

mp51998 · 01-12-2012, 09:03 PM

I didn't specify but I'm manual trans. By water pump do you mean an electric pump?

The Stig · 01-12-2012, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mp51998

I didn't specify but I'm manual trans. By water pump do you mean an electric pump?

OK if you are a M6 then scratch the torque converter. Yes, an electric water pump.

dshep214 · 01-12-2012, 09:28 PM

What would the electric water pump do? And I've been told many performance guys that say do not do the under drive pulley. Not worth the little hp u get an can cause more problems than most mods.

Parag · 01-12-2012, 10:47 PM

Alot of people have the underdrive pulley with no problems, but i dont recommend them. On stock the water pump is driven by the belt, an electric one isnt so it adds power, as the charge is drawn when the power is not being used. The zl1 even has a electric power steering pump too

Padre · 01-12-2012, 11:21 PM

Read my Build Journal to see what full bolt-ons can do.

Underdrive pulley's work better for an M6, whereas with an A6, you may have to bump up the idle. I'm an A6 and I did notice an increase in gas mileage.

I would not recommend an electric water pump unless you're doing mainly drag racing or stoplight racing. If you're doing sustained rpm's (roadrace or autocross), it won't keep up. But I do like Meziere pump for my application.

Oh and don't forget that indeed, shorties and high-flow catte midpipes are a viable offering with proven power gains.

Padre

camslambam · 01-13-2012, 02:38 AM

lol

full bolt ons are

headers, complete exhaust, cai, tune.

Apex Motorsports · 01-13-2012, 05:15 AM

There is not an official definition. Something close to what everyone has mentioned so far is about right.

Rockit_z28 · 01-13-2012, 06:05 AM

Let's not forget gears, clutch, driveshaft, drag radials, weight reduction, suspension improvements, intake, throttle body. My understanding is any modifications that do not result in internal engine modifications (cam, heads, short block) or power adders (nitrous, turbo, supercharger).

Padre has done an outstanding job with his build and offers a lot of great advice on how to get this done correctly. His build thread should be sent to every new owner looking to do incremental changes.

mp51998 · 01-13-2012, 07:40 AM

Thank you to everyone who has replied. I'll be sure to read Padre's build. I was just curious as to what is considered full bolt ons. I've got CAI, muffler delete at the moment. Looking at suspension next. Then headers, hi flo cats and probably a cam by summer. Thx again.

Mike

snizzle · 01-13-2012, 08:28 AM

Headers are pointless without the tune, correct? But that's not the case with exhaust and CAI?

Also with the tune, are you guys taking your car in for dyno, test and tune, and then dyno or just using handheld tuners at home?

PAUL SS · 01-13-2012, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockit_z28

Let's not forget gears, clutch, driveshaft, drag radials, weight reduction, suspension improvements, intake, throttle body. My understanding is any modifications that do not result in internal engine modifications (cam, heads, short block) or power adders (nitrous, turbo, supercharger).

Padre has done an outstanding job with his build and offers a lot of great advice on how to get this done correctly. His build thread should be sent to every new owner looking to do incremental changes.

I wouldn't consider gears (rear end) a bolt on.

GlennP · 01-13-2012, 09:18 AM

I'm new to tinkering with cars, but in my thought things like suspension are in their own class. If you say that suspension mods are bolt ons...because they bolt on....well, supercharges are bolted on as well...along with any cosmetic mods etc. Wheels are bolt on, but they have their own catagory.

So, in short, I think bolt-on is specific to engine. Headers, high-flow or no cats, full exhaust, CAI, tune

01-12-2012, 08:48 PM	#1
mp51998 Drives: Black 2011 2SS/RS Join Date: May 2011 Location: S. Texas Posts: 1,817	Full Bolt Ons? What does Full Bolt Ons for a 2SS consist of exactly. CAI, Headers, Hi flo cats, ported TB, and what else? Thx

01-12-2012, 08:52 PM	#2
The Stig knows 2 facts about ducks Drives: ...and they're both wrong Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The HMS Invincible Posts: 25,072 View My Garage	Long tube headers, CAI, ported TB, high flow cats, 3" exhaust, water pump (?), under drive pulley, torque converter (?), dyno tune I'm not putting cam in there because a cam swap is the equivalent of open heart surgery. __________________

01-12-2012, 09:28 PM	#5
dshep214 Drives: 2011 Camaro 2ssRS Ls3 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Cabot, AR Posts: 1,250	What would the electric water pump do? And I've been told many performance guys that say do not do the under drive pulley. Not worth the little hp u get an can cause more problems than most mods. __________________

01-12-2012, 11:21 PM	#7
Padre Only drives on Sundays Drives: '16 2SS A8 NPP MRC NGray Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Dalton, GA Posts: 2,500 View My Garage	Read my Build Journal to see what full bolt-ons can do. Underdrive pulley's work better for an M6, whereas with an A6, you may have to bump up the idle. I'm an A6 and I did notice an increase in gas mileage. I would not recommend an electric water pump unless you're doing mainly drag racing or stoplight racing. If you're doing sustained rpm's (roadrace or autocross), it won't keep up. But I do like Meziere pump for my application. Oh and don't forget that indeed, shorties and high-flow catte midpipes are a viable offering with proven power gains. Padre __________________ OLD HOTNESS: The "Heretic": '11 2SS/RS L99 A6 Black/Inferno. Build Journal, Videos D1SC GT9 JBA-LT = 720/680 \| 10.330 @ 133.61, 1.546 sixty... Camaro King at ECS V, Darlington. NEW HOTNESS: '16 2SS A8 NPP MRC. Bone Stock, 1/8th: 8.051 @ 89.44, 1.919

01-13-2012, 06:05 AM	#10
Rockit_z28 www.1baddogracing.com Drives: 2010 IOM 2SS/RS Auto Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indian Land, SC Posts: 998 View My Garage	Let's not forget gears, clutch, driveshaft, drag radials, weight reduction, suspension improvements, intake, throttle body. My understanding is any modifications that do not result in internal engine modifications (cam, heads, short block) or power adders (nitrous, turbo, supercharger). Padre has done an outstanding job with his build and offers a lot of great advice on how to get this done correctly. His build thread should be sent to every new owner looking to do incremental changes. __________________ 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Aqua Blue Metalllic (bolt-ons) 2020 Camaro 2SS/RS Satin Steel Metallic - Shock and Steel Edition 1 of 98 - A10 (bolt-ons) 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS IOM - 1,023 RWHP 813RWTQ (Previous Paxton Record Holder: 9.82@139) Built and Tuned by Heintz Racing Go: DSS 9", RPM Trans TH400, Carlyle Racing 15" Conversion, ECS Vortech YSI-B, Fore Fuel System, ID1700, Gall Racing 427 C.I LSX, Mast 285CC Heads, HR Custom Cam Show: Custom Painted Stripes/Badges (Orange Pearl over White), Z/TA Spoiler, VFN Hood, Weld Wheels http://www.HeintzRacing.com http://www.youtube.com/user/1baddogracing

01-12-2012, 09:03 PM	#3
mp51998 Drives: Black 2011 2SS/RS Join Date: May 2011 Location: S. Texas Posts: 1,817	I didn't specify but I'm manual trans. By water pump do you mean an electric pump?

01-12-2012, 10:47 PM	#6
Parag Drives: 2010 camaro 2SS LS3 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Denver Posts: 1,334	Alot of people have the underdrive pulley with no problems, but i dont recommend them. On stock the water pump is driven by the belt, an electric one isnt so it adds power, as the charge is drawn when the power is not being used. The zl1 even has a electric power steering pump too

01-13-2012, 02:38 AM	#8
camslambam Account Suspended Drives: 2010 SS, 06 SRT10 Ram Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: C. America Posts: 1,658	lol full bolt ons are headers, complete exhaust, cai, tune.

01-13-2012, 05:15 AM	#9
Apex Motorsports Drives: 2000 Camaro SS Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Louisville, Ky. Posts: 25,179	There is not an official definition. Something close to what everyone has mentioned so far is about right.

01-13-2012, 07:40 AM	#11
mp51998 Drives: Black 2011 2SS/RS Join Date: May 2011 Location: S. Texas Posts: 1,817	Thank you to everyone who has replied. I'll be sure to read Padre's build. I was just curious as to what is considered full bolt ons. I've got CAI, muffler delete at the moment. Looking at suspension next. Then headers, hi flo cats and probably a cam by summer. Thx again. Mike

01-13-2012, 08:28 AM	#12
snizzle Recalled user Drives: '12 Camaro SS, '18 Colorado Z71 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 3,419	Headers are pointless without the tune, correct? But that's not the case with exhaust and CAI? Also with the tune, are you guys taking your car in for dyno, test and tune, and then dyno or just using handheld tuners at home?

01-13-2012, 09:18 AM	#14
GlennP Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Bridgewater, NJ Posts: 373	I'm new to tinkering with cars, but in my thought things like suspension are in their own class. If you say that suspension mods are bolt ons...because they bolt on....well, supercharges are bolted on as well...along with any cosmetic mods etc. Wheels are bolt on, but they have their own catagory. So, in short, I think bolt-on is specific to engine. Headers, high-flow or no cats, full exhaust, CAI, tune

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