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mwoodengr · 02-19-2009, 03:41 PM

I believe that if your order has a constraint on it (i.e. CGM), you will be bumped until the contraint is lifted, not sent to the back of the line.

I also believe that what CamaroConti and Greg meant about "cannot defer allocation" was that GM is going to deliver that deaer the number of cars in their allocation (say 2 for sake of a number), the dealer can not take one car for that allocation period and bank the remaining car for the next period (i.e. get X+1 cars in the next allocation period). This would make sense for any mass produced item, cars included, since they have to build so many units per period (can't stop the line).

Silver Streak · 02-19-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mwoodengr

I believe that if your order has a constraint on it (i.e. CGM), you will be bumped until the contraint is lifted, not sent to the back of the line.

I also believe that what CamaroConti and Greg meant about "cannot defer allocation" was that GM is going to deliver that deaer the number of cars in their allocation (say 2 for sake of a number), the dealer can not take one car for that allocation period and bank the remaining car for the next period (i.e. get X+1 cars in the next allocation period). This would make sense for any mass produced item, cars included, since they have to build so many units per period (can't stop the line).

Thats not what was stated though. I hope you are right non the less. I totally understand a delay, but what was said is that you would have to wait for another allocation slot, not that your allocation will be bumbed back. If it is what you said then it should be explained as such. Hopefully some clarification will come from the OP. Thanks for your insite and what you say makes sense, and that is what I would have believed to happen until I seen this post. I also remember when V-8's would not be built until after the V-6's were built, so I want to be assured!

mwoodengr · 02-19-2009, 04:01 PM

Silver,
The only way you would get sent to the back of the line so to say is if all of the dealers pre-sold cars were on contraints, then the dealer would be forced to take a car(s) that does not match any of the pre-sold cars. If that happened, theoretically the last on the allocation list would loose his slot forever (or until MY2011), because GM built one of the allocated cars for the dealership but it did not match anyone's order. I am sure this is how this would work.
The dealer must take a car when GM tells them to, its up to the dealer to match that car to his customers as best as possible.

I welcome any of our dealer friends to chime to agree/disagree here.

Silver Streak · 02-19-2009, 04:04 PM

LOL 6 V-6's and 2 V-8's I am the second V-8, now it really makes me wonder. Thanks! J/K

mwoodengr · 02-19-2009, 04:13 PM

Lets hope the two V8's at your dealer are not both CGM, otherwise one of these V6 guys might be forced to take a V8 or wait until MY2011....

trm0002 · 02-19-2009, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by mwoodengr

Lets hope the two V8's at your dealer are not both CGM, otherwise one of these V6 guys might be forced to take a V8 or wait until MY2011....

No one is going to wait until MY2011. The PREORDERS are theoretically going to be built by Oct 09. There is almost an entire year of production following that before MY2011. Everyone will get their 2010 vehicles, just maybe not by October.

mwoodengr · 02-19-2009, 04:26 PM

Yeah, stupid me. I knew that (about the MY2011).... Duhh!
Sorry, should have said they will have to wait till after after all of this years allocation is up (unless a dealer will give their allocation up to another dealer, like drop shipping a car).

RallyFever · 02-19-2009, 05:01 PM

SO, do the cars being "pulled" on 3/5 get built during the week of 3/16 and the pull on 3/12 is for the week of 3/23? How much lag time is associated between the pull and the build?

My dealer told me today that my order will get pulled on 3/12.

Rodrunner · 02-19-2009, 05:03 PM

A big part of the problem it the terminology. If a dealer holds your order because of a constraint, you lose your #1 priority, which has nothing to do with his allocation - number of pre-order cars he is allowed through Q3. Unfortunately the weekly constraint report is also being called an allocation by some. Yes, very confusing.

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Originally Posted by SaintTimothy

OK - if CamaroScotty said the first consenus was for March 16 - 31, then it's gold!

But now I'm confused by this post. If the allocation was only for 2 weeks, then how can there be 3 more weekly allocations (4 total)?? Or are you saying that the last 2 of these allocations will be based off a second consensus in early March?

What's up Tim? I think you're confusing these two:
consensus - monthly report that tells your dealer how many pre-order cars he'll be allowed to submit for production for the next 30 day build period
allocation - weekly report that tells him what type of car he can order, based on the constraints

The Feb. 6th concensus was for cars to be built March 16-31
The Feb. 19th allocation was current constraints on cars submitted for production until next week's allocaqtion on Feb. 26th. The V6 constraint could be lifted by then or CGM might be available for cars submitted for production after Feb. 26th, but I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by trm0002

Now that's news to me. AFAIK the LS V6 can NOT add the RS package.

Yeah, it's always been available on all trim lines except the LS.
Damn, everytime I need the " Who's ordered?! Let's get an actual order count" thread I have to search for it and bump it....PITA!

trm0002 · 02-19-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RallyFever

SO, do the cars being "pulled" on 3/5 get built during the week of 3/16 and the pull on 3/12 is for the week of 3/23? How much lag time is associated between the pull and the build?

My dealer told me today that my order will get pulled on 3/12.

My order was already pulled yesterday (based on "current event date") and is currently at the 3300 Scheduled For Production level. So I'm going to go out on a limb and say the "lag" could be pretty extensive.

RallyFever · 02-19-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by trm0002

My order was already pulled yesterday (based on "current event date") and is currently at the 3300 Scheduled For Production level. So I'm going to go out on a limb and say the "lag" could be pretty extensive.

Mine is at 3300 also, but that doesn't really mean anything yet. The actual pull happens either the week before production or two weeks before procudtion. Can anyone supply an educated answer.

trm0002 · 02-19-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RallyFever

Mine is at 3300 also, but that doesn't really mean anything yet. The actual pull happens either the week before production or two weeks before procudtion. Can anyone supply an educated answer.

Me thinks we have another terminology issue. As far as I'm concerned "pull" happens at the 2500 level...

1100 is where all the pre-orders start off
2000 is accepted by GM (dealer uses allocation to place order into production)
2500 is preferenced (order pulled into the production system by GM)
3000 is order accepted by production control (order input into production system)
3100 is order sequenced (for production)
***3300 is order scheduled for production***
3400 is broadcast (order sent to various build and supplier areas to bring parts together for order)
3800 is produced (order built and VIN assigned and now shows up on dealer order system)
4150 is invoiced (to dealer)
4200 is shipped to dealer
5000 is delivered to dealer
6000 is delivered to customer

tsg1391 · 02-19-2009, 05:24 PM

does my dealer have to do anything for my order to be pulled? my dealer is really mis-informed and i dont think he would know if he had to do anything in order to get my order pulled

jeffny09 · 02-19-2009, 05:26 PM

y is the hurst shifter on constraint?

02-19-2009, 03:41 PM	#43
mwoodengr Clueless Member Drives: 2005 PT Cruiser Convertible Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 136 View My Garage	I believe that if your order has a constraint on it (i.e. CGM), you will be bumped until the contraint is lifted, not sent to the back of the line. I also believe that what CamaroConti and Greg meant about "cannot defer allocation" was that GM is going to deliver that deaer the number of cars in their allocation (say 2 for sake of a number), the dealer can not take one car for that allocation period and bank the remaining car for the next period (i.e. get X+1 cars in the next allocation period). This would make sense for any mass produced item, cars included, since they have to build so many units per period (can't stop the line). __________________ Driving my Rally Yellow 2LT Original order - Cancelled 1100 = 11/15/2009 New Order 1100 = Preliminary Order: 1/26/2009 2000 = Accepted By GM: 5/27/2009 3000 = Accepted By Production Control: 6/16/2009 3800 = Produced: ? 4150 = Invoiced: ? 4200 = Shipped: 7/3/2009 5000 = Delivered To Dealer: 7/14/2009 6000 = 7/18/2009

02-19-2009, 04:01 PM	#45
mwoodengr Clueless Member Drives: 2005 PT Cruiser Convertible Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 136 View My Garage	Silver, The only way you would get sent to the back of the line so to say is if all of the dealers pre-sold cars were on contraints, then the dealer would be forced to take a car(s) that does not match any of the pre-sold cars. If that happened, theoretically the last on the allocation list would loose his slot forever (or until MY2011), because GM built one of the allocated cars for the dealership but it did not match anyone's order. I am sure this is how this would work. The dealer must take a car when GM tells them to, its up to the dealer to match that car to his customers as best as possible. I welcome any of our dealer friends to chime to agree/disagree here. __________________ Driving my Rally Yellow 2LT Original order - Cancelled 1100 = 11/15/2009 New Order 1100 = Preliminary Order: 1/26/2009 2000 = Accepted By GM: 5/27/2009 3000 = Accepted By Production Control: 6/16/2009 3800 = Produced: ? 4150 = Invoiced: ? 4200 = Shipped: 7/3/2009 5000 = Delivered To Dealer: 7/14/2009 6000 = 7/18/2009

02-19-2009, 04:13 PM	#47
mwoodengr Clueless Member Drives: 2005 PT Cruiser Convertible Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 136 View My Garage	Lets hope the two V8's at your dealer are not both CGM, otherwise one of these V6 guys might be forced to take a V8 or wait until MY2011.... __________________ Driving my Rally Yellow 2LT Original order - Cancelled 1100 = 11/15/2009 New Order 1100 = Preliminary Order: 1/26/2009 2000 = Accepted By GM: 5/27/2009 3000 = Accepted By Production Control: 6/16/2009 3800 = Produced: ? 4150 = Invoiced: ? 4200 = Shipped: 7/3/2009 5000 = Delivered To Dealer: 7/14/2009 6000 = 7/18/2009

02-19-2009, 04:26 PM	#49
mwoodengr Clueless Member Drives: 2005 PT Cruiser Convertible Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 136 View My Garage	Yeah, stupid me. I knew that (about the MY2011).... Duhh! Sorry, should have said they will have to wait till after after all of this years allocation is up (unless a dealer will give their allocation up to another dealer, like drop shipping a car). __________________ Driving my Rally Yellow 2LT Original order - Cancelled 1100 = 11/15/2009 New Order 1100 = Preliminary Order: 1/26/2009 2000 = Accepted By GM: 5/27/2009 3000 = Accepted By Production Control: 6/16/2009 3800 = Produced: ? 4150 = Invoiced: ? 4200 = Shipped: 7/3/2009 5000 = Delivered To Dealer: 7/14/2009 6000 = 7/18/2009

02-19-2009, 05:26 PM	#56
jeffny09 Drives: 2010 camaro Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: new york Posts: 5,618	y is the hurst shifter on constraint? __________________ top 10 reason why real men drive stick. 10. A manual transmission is the ultimate in control 9. You can use automotive jargon and not sound like a total tool 8. You can't spell "manual" without "man" 7. Manual transmissions prove you can do more than one thing at a time 6. You can't drift in an auto 5. You can't pull fancy moves in an automatic 4. You get better fuel economy with a stick 3. You’ll never look like a chump if you can drive stick 2. Manual transmission cars are faster 1. Women like a guy who is good with his hands.

02-19-2009, 04:04 PM	#46
Silver Streak Drives: 2008 Cobalt SS/TC Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New Smyrna Bch. Florida Posts: 1,449 View My Garage	LOL 6 V-6's and 2 V-8's I am the second V-8, now it really makes me wonder. Thanks! J/K

02-19-2009, 05:01 PM	#50
RallyFever Senior Member Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Woodbridge, VA Posts: 749	SO, do the cars being "pulled" on 3/5 get built during the week of 3/16 and the pull on 3/12 is for the week of 3/23? How much lag time is associated between the pull and the build? My dealer told me today that my order will get pulled on 3/12.

02-19-2009, 05:24 PM	#55
tsg1391 Drives: 79 formula 'bird, 5th gen soon Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: oklahoma Posts: 247	does my dealer have to do anything for my order to be pulled? my dealer is really mis-informed and i dont think he would know if he had to do anything in order to get my order pulled

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