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alice · 04-25-2015, 09:03 AM

Anyone ever taken a LFX engine and installed it into a LLT? My understanding is that it can be done by installing the wiring harness from the LLT In place of the LFX, changing the Throttle body to LLT, adapting the exhaust. I understand everything else should work. Only issue is the high pressure fuel pump in the LFX will throw a code at idle and goes into limp mode unless the idle is raised to 1000 RPM.

Does anyone have any additional knowledge on a conversion such as this and how to overcome the issue discussed other than raising the RPM?

crc91 · 04-25-2015, 01:10 PM

Don't wanna be that guy but out of curiosity why do you want to swap to the LFX? I get it's a more updated/ powerful engine. It would probably be cheaper to just modify the existing LLT

IBM camaro · 04-25-2015, 02:29 PM

With full bolt ons and tune I easily would take my friend in his lightly modded LFX with no back seats, now with e85 it wouldn't be very close

SV6GUY · 04-26-2015, 12:36 AM

from a tuning perspective wouldn't it be ideal to have an LFX (E93 ECU)? if the engine needs replacing and it's relatively straightforward - why not i say.

AITI · 04-26-2015, 08:38 AM

I think he is looking at getting rid of the Bosch ECU and going to the much easier to tune Delphi....but I may be mistaken. Not much different in the lower end, but pistons and heads are.

crc91 · 04-26-2015, 10:00 AM

Well that's true, tuning would be much easier. As long as cost wouldn't be too bad I say why not. If it get too expensive I'd say your probably better off at getting a stands alone engine management system installed.

alice · 04-27-2015, 07:33 AM

I don't know anyone who makes a stand alone management system for doing something like this. Can anyone direct me?

As LLT's get older, my thinking is that it would be advantageous to install the LFX engine rather than the weaker LLT. There are many upgrades in the LFX. Only issue is that you cannot plug the Delphi system into the LLT body harness due to differences in the plugs. Of course, the LFX harness and ECU work together OK but it's the body harness that is the problem. If anyone can shed any light on this, chime in please!

So, you would use the Bosche harness and ECU in the LLT, as is, and simply plug it into the LFX engine. Only issue is the HPFP in the LFX will throw an overpressure code at idle and go into limp mode. Only way to overcome this is to raise the idle to 1000 RPM. Don't know if it can be tuned out. The exhaust adaption is easy. I have a twin turbo LLT and acquired a 2014 LFX complete engine and would love to do this but I need to understand a bit more about the feasibility of this conversion. Would love to use the Delphi ECU but the body plugs are the issue.

If anyone has any solutions and knowledge about this, please let me know. Lot's of LLT owners, sooner or later, will want to do this conversion, if for no other reasons than LFX engine availability and improvements in the engine itself.

SV6GUY · 04-27-2015, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by alice

I don't know anyone who makes a stand alone management system for doing something like this. Can anyone direct me?

As LLT's get older, my thinking is that it would be advantageous to install the LFX engine rather than the weaker LLT. There are many upgrades in the LFX. Only issue is that you cannot plug the Delphi system into the LLT body harness due to differences in the plugs. Of course, the LFX harness and ECU work together OK but it's the body harness that is the problem. If anyone can shed any light on this, chime in please!

So, you would use the Bosche harness and ECU in the LLT, as is, and simply plug it into the LFX engine. Only issue is the HPFP in the LFX will throw an overpressure code at idle and go into limp mode. Only way to overcome this is to raise the idle to 1000 RPM. Don't know if it can be tuned out. The exhaust adaption is easy. I have a twin turbo LLT and acquired a 2014 LFX complete engine and would love to do this but I need to understand a bit more about the feasibility of this conversion. Would love to use the Delphi ECU but the body plugs are the issue.

If anyone has any solutions and knowledge about this, please let me know. Lot's of LLT owners, sooner or later, will want to do this conversion, if for no other reasons than LFX engine availability and improvements in the engine itself.

Haltech build stand alone systems; however, they are very expensive.

I've been told the same, the body harness is the problem.

crc91 · 04-27-2015, 10:57 PM

Stand alone systems are very expensive but honestly probably about the same price or less than switching to a lfx engine. Probably just easier to trade to an LFX

alice · 04-28-2015, 08:09 AM

There are a lot of LLTs out there. Since I have invested a ton of $ in my twin turbo LLT and I will be keeping it, I still want to pursue the conversion. Yes, a stand alone is expensive but if I transfer the LLT wiring harness to the LFX engine, the only remaining stumbling block is the idle issue with the LFX HPFP. If anyone has a suggestion on how to address this issue, please let me know. If this can be worked out, many more LLT owners who will eventually change engines, can upgrade to the LFX. Low mileage LFX engines are plentiful and very inexpensive and have all the upgraded goodies from the factory. A much better engine than the LLT. More power potential, as well. Chime in on this if someone can shed some additional light on the subject.

alice · 11-07-2015, 05:07 PM

This is the latest on installing a LFX engine into a LLT after months of research. We are 98% sure that this can be done. So sure, that I am in the process of preparing a new 2014 LFX engine with auto transmission for a transplant sometime early 2016. Lots of work still to be done but making progress. Attached are pics of the twin turbo Camaro LLT, along with the new LFX engine, still in preparation. Note that we took the oil filter casting and threw it and machined an adapter plate for a remote, chassis mounted oil filter. Also, added is the fuel filter GM forgot. A "must have" item for clean fuel for DI. We also have added many other features in preparation for the transplant. Once we have everything in place, we will schedule the swap and try it to see if it will work. Nervous, to say the least. The worst thing that can happen is that we will have to reinstall the LLT engine but all indications are it should and the only way we will ever know is to try it.
Pictures of the car in this post. Pictures of the new LFX engine in the next post.

alice · 11-07-2015, 05:27 PM

Pictures of the new 2014 LFX engine.

IneedAZ · 11-07-2015, 06:22 PM

Good Luck with the swap!

RubyCamaro · 11-07-2015, 10:15 PM

That is looking pretty bad azz! Good luck & keep us posted.

04-25-2015, 09:03 AM	#1
alice Drives: 2010 camaro limited edition turbo Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: saint petersburg, florida Posts: 500 View My Garage	LFX engine conversion into LLT Anyone ever taken a LFX engine and installed it into a LLT? My understanding is that it can be done by installing the wiring harness from the LLT In place of the LFX, changing the Throttle body to LLT, adapting the exhaust. I understand everything else should work. Only issue is the high pressure fuel pump in the LFX will throw a code at idle and goes into limp mode unless the idle is raised to 1000 RPM. Does anyone have any additional knowledge on a conversion such as this and how to overcome the issue discussed other than raising the RPM?

04-25-2015, 01:10 PM	#2
crc91 Drives: '14 1LS Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Mandeville Posts: 2,166	Don't wanna be that guy but out of curiosity why do you want to swap to the LFX? I get it's a more updated/ powerful engine. It would probably be cheaper to just modify the existing LLT __________________ Patiently waiting for my 2023 SS 1LE

04-26-2015, 10:00 AM	#6
crc91 Drives: '14 1LS Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Mandeville Posts: 2,166	Well that's true, tuning would be much easier. As long as cost wouldn't be too bad I say why not. If it get too expensive I'd say your probably better off at getting a stands alone engine management system installed. __________________ Patiently waiting for my 2023 SS 1LE

04-27-2015, 10:57 PM	#9
crc91 Drives: '14 1LS Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Mandeville Posts: 2,166	Stand alone systems are very expensive but honestly probably about the same price or less than switching to a lfx engine. Probably just easier to trade to an LFX __________________ Patiently waiting for my 2023 SS 1LE

11-07-2015, 05:07 PM	#11
alice Drives: 2010 camaro limited edition turbo Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: saint petersburg, florida Posts: 500 View My Garage	LFX into LLT This is the latest on installing a LFX engine into a LLT after months of research. We are 98% sure that this can be done. So sure, that I am in the process of preparing a new 2014 LFX engine with auto transmission for a transplant sometime early 2016. Lots of work still to be done but making progress. Attached are pics of the twin turbo Camaro LLT, along with the new LFX engine, still in preparation. Note that we took the oil filter casting and threw it and machined an adapter plate for a remote, chassis mounted oil filter. Also, added is the fuel filter GM forgot. A "must have" item for clean fuel for DI. We also have added many other features in preparation for the transplant. Once we have everything in place, we will schedule the swap and try it to see if it will work. Nervous, to say the least. The worst thing that can happen is that we will have to reinstall the LLT engine but all indications are it should and the only way we will ever know is to try it. Pictures of the car in this post. Pictures of the new LFX engine in the next post. Attached Images Last edited by alice; 11-07-2015 at 05:21 PM. Reason: resize pics

04-25-2015, 02:29 PM	#3
IBM camaro Texas HT5 Drives: IBM Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Tx Posts: 1,335	With full bolt ons and tune I easily would take my friend in his lightly modded LFX with no back seats, now with e85 it wouldn't be very close

04-26-2015, 12:36 AM	#4
SV6GUY Endlessly Wrenching Drives: VE SV6 S2 manual Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Australia Posts: 57	from a tuning perspective wouldn't it be ideal to have an LFX (E93 ECU)? if the engine needs replacing and it's relatively straightforward - why not i say.

04-26-2015, 08:38 AM	#5
AITI Account Suspended Drives: 2015 LFX Auto Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: US of A Posts: 280	I think he is looking at getting rid of the Bosch ECU and going to the much easier to tune Delphi....but I may be mistaken. Not much different in the lower end, but pistons and heads are.

04-27-2015, 07:33 AM	#7
alice Drives: 2010 camaro limited edition turbo Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: saint petersburg, florida Posts: 500 View My Garage	I don't know anyone who makes a stand alone management system for doing something like this. Can anyone direct me? As LLT's get older, my thinking is that it would be advantageous to install the LFX engine rather than the weaker LLT. There are many upgrades in the LFX. Only issue is that you cannot plug the Delphi system into the LLT body harness due to differences in the plugs. Of course, the LFX harness and ECU work together OK but it's the body harness that is the problem. If anyone can shed any light on this, chime in please! So, you would use the Bosche harness and ECU in the LLT, as is, and simply plug it into the LFX engine. Only issue is the HPFP in the LFX will throw an overpressure code at idle and go into limp mode. Only way to overcome this is to raise the idle to 1000 RPM. Don't know if it can be tuned out. The exhaust adaption is easy. I have a twin turbo LLT and acquired a 2014 LFX complete engine and would love to do this but I need to understand a bit more about the feasibility of this conversion. Would love to use the Delphi ECU but the body plugs are the issue. If anyone has any solutions and knowledge about this, please let me know. Lot's of LLT owners, sooner or later, will want to do this conversion, if for no other reasons than LFX engine availability and improvements in the engine itself.

04-28-2015, 08:09 AM	#10
alice Drives: 2010 camaro limited edition turbo Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: saint petersburg, florida Posts: 500 View My Garage	There are a lot of LLTs out there. Since I have invested a ton of $ in my twin turbo LLT and I will be keeping it, I still want to pursue the conversion. Yes, a stand alone is expensive but if I transfer the LLT wiring harness to the LFX engine, the only remaining stumbling block is the idle issue with the LFX HPFP. If anyone has a suggestion on how to address this issue, please let me know. If this can be worked out, many more LLT owners who will eventually change engines, can upgrade to the LFX. Low mileage LFX engines are plentiful and very inexpensive and have all the upgraded goodies from the factory. A much better engine than the LLT. More power potential, as well. Chime in on this if someone can shed some additional light on the subject.

11-07-2015, 05:27 PM	#12
alice Drives: 2010 camaro limited edition turbo Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: saint petersburg, florida Posts: 500 View My Garage	Pictures of the new 2014 LFX engine. Attached Images

11-07-2015, 06:22 PM	#13
IneedAZ Drives: 2017 ZL1 A10 & 2021 BMW M340i x Dr Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Tampa Posts: 5,110 View My Garage	Good Luck with the swap! __________________ Sold 2012 2LT RS 12.3@112 old setup Sold 1967 Camaro Pro Street. Ran 10's mild BB on NOS. 2017 HyperBlue ZL1 A10 Born 3/17/17Delivered 4/08/17 2020 Build: Mag2650, BTR Stage2, NW103, BG, 14% lower, 90mm upper, ARH 2" Long system w/no cats, SW Legend mufflers. 807hp/762tq on 93 gas and 848hp/792tq on e47 Sold 2018 (Go Mango) Dodge Charger Daytona 392 Daily Driver Daily Driver 2021 BMW M340i Xdrive

11-07-2015, 10:15 PM	#14
RubyCamaro Jan Drives: 2010 Camaro 1LT Red Jewel tintcoat Join Date: May 2010 Location: Springfield, TN Posts: 16,225 View My Garage	That is looking pretty bad azz! Good luck & keep us posted. __________________