2012 boss vs. 2012 ls3 ss w/mods

[Deki]

Originally Posted by strokerls1

We run at the track all the time, and I pulled his auto GT there with him having the advantage...and Im glad you saw how far back he was after we let off. You must have magic eyes to consider that BARELY pulled. Get your facts straight, the optional dual mode exhaust and electric p/s along with zl1 shifter and whatever else was changed has allows the SS to be much more competitive over the 10-12's...on top of that I have a CAI intake. The car has responded very well and runs very hard for what it is. Im not dumb, a BOSS is lighter, has better gearing, and ALOT longer RPM range than my car, BUT I bet I'm making the same, or more power than he is. I dont care if you believe me or not...Im not bias at all. I would own his BOSS over my car any day of the week, but I wont own that payment!

What I saw was when he got the jump, you reeled him in by 1 car. Your 13 is barely stronger than a stock auto GT. Like I said, post a slip of you 113mph trap. And you think you're putting down 400whp with just and intake? That's funny, I didn't know you can pick up 35whp with that.

Originally Posted by mlee

You guys both got your points across. Please keep it civil..

Yes sir.

[strokerls1]

Originally Posted by Deki

What I saw was when he got the jump, you reeled him in by 1 car. Your 13 is barely stronger than a stock auto GT. Like I said, post a slip of you 113mph trap. And you think you're putting down 400whp with just and intake? That's funny, I didn't know you can pick up 35whp with that.





Yes sir.

Here is a quote from another forum on stock Boss dyno numbers:

Today I took my Boss to a Dynoshop and had some baseline numbers.
Standard key : 394.25 hp/torque was 354.91
Trackey: Less hp ( just by little)
391.93 but more Torque 357.43
Shop wasent aware on first 2 pulls that 4th wasent 1:1 and it ran 382/387.
These are STD #s 394 in SAE was 384
He did a total of 5 pulls
2 in 4th
2 with trackey
1 with Standard key.
According to him it stopped at redlined @7450.
Car has 3,750 miles, is stock 100% except restrictor plates removed from side pipes.

The 10-12 Camaros with a cai are putting down very similar numbers. SO, with my car making alittle more over the 10-12s PLUS my cai I would think Im putting down numbers close to him or slightly above. NOT 35whp! He is still faster, but its not as far off as we both thought. I was at his door until the top of 4th. Again, Im not bias. His car is bad ass and I would own one in a second. BTW, he does have the restrictor plates removed and OMG. It sounds sick

[mlee]

I will say a 10-12 Camaro is going to need headers to get to the 400 mark.

[strych9]

Originally Posted by strokerls1

Interesting...You ford fanboi's really are in denial. The '13s have some very significant upgrades that definitely wake the SS up. My car traps 113 stock. His car traps 115-116 stock. Since the last run, I installed a CAI intake and now our cars are very close from a roll. Im pretty sure my brother knows how to drive, as we have been into racing our whole lives. Watch the video on my youtube page. I pulled his GT pretty go up top, so its not surprising I can hang with his BOSS

What are these so-called, "significant upgrades"? Your 2013 is no different than my 2012. They have the exact same power ratings. Explain.

[strokerls1]

Originally Posted by mlee

I will say a 10-12 Camaro is going to need headers to get to the 400 mark.

I think so too, but Ive seen m6 cars making 385-390whp with just a cai. Remove an accessory from the motor and add a cat-back to that and I bet it will get close to the 400 mark since thats basically what the 13 SS is. Keeping it civil

[Deki]

Originally Posted by strokerls1

Here is a quote from another forum on stock Boss dyno numbers:

Today I took my Boss to a Dynoshop and had some baseline numbers.
Standard key : 394.25 hp/torque was 354.91
Trackey: Less hp ( just by little)
391.93 but more Torque 357.43
Shop wasent aware on first 2 pulls that 4th wasent 1:1 and it ran 382/387.
These are STD #s 394 in SAE was 384
He did a total of 5 pulls

Dynos vary

http://www.insideline.com/ford/musta...ng_ot_121.html

here is one that put down 416hp.

On average they put down 400. On average, what I've seen LS3s put down 365whp.

[strokerls1]

Originally Posted by strych9

What are these so-called, "significant upgrades"? Your 2013 is no different than my 2012. They have the exact same power ratings. Explain.

Electric p/s, optional dual mode exhaust, zl1 shifter, and better wheels...jk Add those up and Ill bet the '13s are making anywhere from 15-20hp more. I had a 2012 SS m6 and that car was definitely slower than my '13

[Deki]

Originally Posted by strokerls1

Electric p/s, optional dual mode exhaust, zl1 shifter, and better wheels...jk Add those up and Ill bet the '13s are making anywhere from 15-20hp more. I had a 2012 SS m6 and that car was definitely slower than my '13

If it was making 15-20hp more it would have been SAE certified at that.

[mlee]

Here's what the LS3 traps.. this is the bottom of the 1/4 fast list so no hero runs. I witnessed 3 of these runs too..

Pretty consistent across the board

[strokerls1]

Originally Posted by Deki

If it was making 15-20hp more it would have been SAE certified at that.

Is that a law? Anyone could see removing an accessory and added a free-er flowing exhaust would add some power. Maybe not . Either way...we were surprised of the outcome.

[mlee]

Backing up Dyno numbers on the track is alway best. Dyno's vary but the trap will tell the story.


so is there a list somewere with Boss trap speeds like the one I listed. You guys have me curious now...

[strokerls1]

Originally Posted by mlee

Backing up Dyno numbers on the track is alway best. Dyno's vary but the trap will tell the story.


so is there a list somewere with Boss trap speeds like the one I listed. You guys have me curious now...

On average the BOSS will trap 115-116 with a good driver. 117-118 are HERO times. Trap speed tells the story. The BOSS is light and makes close to 400whp. Check this out:

[Deki]

Originally Posted by strokerls1

Is that a law? Anyone could see removing an accessory and added a free-er flowing exhaust would add some power. Maybe not . Either way...we were surprised of the outcome.

It's not law, but GM makes a big deal about being one of the first participants of the SAE certifications. Also, why wouldn't you want to sell your car and advertise it with more power? Ford did it with 8hp for the 2013s, I'm sure GM would have done it for the SS as well, especially with a 15-20 hp bump. I have yet to see a stock 13 SS run at the track, but I doubt it picked up 3mph over a stock 10-12 SS. I ran a 112 stock with my GT and with a tune and exhaust I'm trapping slightly over 115 right now. My best ET was a 12.52. A stock Boss with the side plates removed on the exhaust ran a 12.3@116 when I was there last time. It was not a LS model. I'll see if I got a video of it. My buddies stock GT ran a best of 13.07@112 with a 2.1 60 foot. Any way you splice it, a lighter car, with more power, better gearing, better power band for racing, combined with a live rear axle that benefits it not only for being more efficient when it comes to putting the power to the ground, but also being easier to launch, when properly driven, will be quite a bit faster than an SS, or a GT. Either way, your brother needs to learn to drive

[strokerls1]

Originally Posted by Deki

It's not law, but GM makes a big deal about being one of the first participants of the SAE certifications. Also, why wouldn't you want to sell your car and advertise it with more power? Ford did it with 8hp for the 2013s, I'm sure GM would have done it for the SS as well, especially with a 15-20 hp bump. I have yet to see a stock 13 SS run at the track, but I doubt it picked up 3mph over a stock 10-12 SS. I ran a 112 stock with my GT and with a tune and exhaust I'm trapping slightly over 115 right now. My best ET was a 12.52. A stock Boss with the side plates removed on the exhaust ran a 12.3@116 when I was there last time. It was not a LS model. I'll see if I got a video of it. My buddies stock GT ran a best of 13.07@112 with a 2.1 60 foot. Any way you splice it, a lighter car, with more power, better gearing, better power band for racing, combined with a live rear axle that benefits it not only for being more efficient when it comes to putting the power to the ground, but also being easier to launch, when properly driven, will be quite a bit faster than an SS, or a GT. Either way, your brother needs to learn to drive

You keep forgetting that from a roll...its all about power. Not so much weight and et time. Thats why it was very close. At the track, his BOSS will et much better than my car. Solid axle with 3:73s vs IRS with 3:45. Not a very good combo for the track.