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blessedhellride · 01-14-2015, 10:05 PM

no zl1 no z28. berlinetta to replace the base then RS the SS. forgetabout a rear mounted tranny, how would that even work with a subframe unibody?

NZcarguy · 01-15-2015, 02:04 AM

To add to the monkey.. a cargo net included from the factory to stop banana fallout

Change the Mylink system, change the stereo supplier, add sub. Add the option for a fire extinguisher, ceramic disks.

Raven87 · 01-15-2015, 03:07 AM

Less weight (about 500 lbs less), another 50 - 60 HP, and the 8 speed auto would do nicely.

I think you will see a variant of the LT4 but with closer to 630 HP. GM will not build a Camaro with the same HP as the hallowed C7 Z06 (or any similar top dog Corvette like a new ZR1) no matter how much we want it.

And if I was a betting man I would wager you may not see the $75k Z/28 return vs no ZL1. I don't think both will be back so given sales numbers, I think you will see the ZL1 return but not the Z/28. I think it is more likely you would see some sort of track-specific option package on the blown ZL1.

Misterleeman · 01-15-2015, 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedmon

1. The Z06 (LT4) engine. They put it in the CTS-V, now I want mine.
2. The transmission in the rear. The car needs more weight in the rear and I don't need the rear seat anyway.
3. Less weight....minus 600-700 lbs should do it.
4. A downward sloping hood (like the 4th gens) so I can see the road instead of the hood.

That's it.....GM, if you build it, I'll buy it.

Uh.. what you just described is the 2015 Corvette Z06.

Whos_Drivin · 01-15-2015, 07:35 AM

Challenger has more HP than the Viper. GT500 has/had more HP than the GT. Why can't the Camaro have more HP than the Vette? They need to stay competitive within the segment.

Burt · 01-15-2015, 08:09 AM

Whenever we find out the weight on the ATS-V, add a little to that for two extra cylinders, and you'll probably be in the ball park. Cadillac lists weight for the 3.6 ATS coupe at 3,530 lbs, so good luck getting them to lop over a quarter ton off the car. The transaxle would require modifying the platform, and that torque tube isn't made of unicorn farts and rainbows, so all that would work against the overall weight, cost, and interior volume. The LT4 seems reasonable, people bought ZL1s, so there's no reason to change that part of the formula. As for the hood, that's the final nail in the you-actually-want-a-Corvette coffin.

lbls1 · 01-15-2015, 08:31 AM

1. The next ZL1 should be as brilliant as the current one.
2. It should continue to blend tradition with the latest technology
3. It should feature the top (or one of the highest ranking) v8 from GM.
4. The price should not be out of reach of camaro fans.

tnspd · 01-15-2015, 08:36 AM

IMO one of the three track ready cars will be dropped from the lineup. You do not need 3 track ready cars. The only issue is which one and if it is the ZL1 they drop then they will be making a 1LE with an AUTO trans.

1LE = Budget track ready car
ZL1 = Luxury track ready car
Z/28 = Expensive track ready car

However, it is possible that they keep the ZL1 with the AUTO trans and migrate it towards being a daily driver drag car. That would give the normal car enthusiast two track ready cars and a daily driver DRAG car. They need a normal guys drag car. The ZL1 could fit that bill.

Burt · 01-15-2015, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tnspd

IMO one of the three track ready cars will be dropped from the lineup. You do not need 3 track ready cars. The only issue is which one and if it is the ZL1 they drop then they will be making a 1LE with an AUTO trans.

1LE = Budget track ready car
ZL1 = Luxury track ready car
Z/28 = Expensive track ready car

However, it is possible that they keep the ZL1 with the AUTO trans and migrate it towards being a daily driver drag car. That would give the normal car enthusiast two track ready cars and a daily driver DRAG car. They need a normal guys drag car. The ZL1 could fit that bill.

They've got the 8 speed in the CTS-V, so it'll hold the power, and they fit it in the ATS-V, so it'll fit in the smaller alpha platform, so I don't see why they couldn't. I'd be down for an 8 speed, LT4 powered Camaro.

Firefighter · 01-15-2015, 08:41 AM

GM should start relying on turbos instead of the Eaton S/C's...

Hopefully the ZR1 Zora Mid engine beast that is on the way will be AWD 6.2L Direct Injected TT beast...

Then we get the next gen ZL1 with Turbo love...

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Nor Cal ZL1 · 01-15-2015, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by blessedhellride

no zl1 no z28. berlinetta to replace the base then RS the SS. forgetabout a rear mounted tranny, how would that even work with a subframe unibody?

Yes you can have a rear transmission/final drive assembly in a unibody. I have owned three Italian cars with this set up and it worked wonderful for what it was. I would note that it was for weight placement and the maintenance was difficult. In that application the driveline spun at engine speeds so you can imagine driveline maintenance was more than one would like, in comparison to what most people are expecting these days.

Todays tech is probably better so it might be longer lasting, but if the car is balanced (road course guy) I dont want the added service complexity.

01-14-2015, 10:05 PM	#15
blessedhellride Drives: 2014 Z/28; 2014 Ram 2500 CTD Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: DFW-Fairview Posts: 498	no zl1 no z28. berlinetta to replace the base then RS the SS. forgetabout a rear mounted tranny, how would that even work with a subframe unibody? __________________ 2015 Silverado 2500 2014 Z/28

01-15-2015, 03:07 AM	#17
Raven87 C'mon- really? Drives: Looking for a ZL1 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Nortwestern Ohio Posts: 1,966 View My Garage	Less weight (about 500 lbs less), another 50 - 60 HP, and the 8 speed auto would do nicely. I think you will see a variant of the LT4 but with closer to 630 HP. GM will not build a Camaro with the same HP as the hallowed C7 Z06 (or any similar top dog Corvette like a new ZR1) no matter how much we want it. And if I was a betting man I would wager you may not see the $75k Z/28 return vs no ZL1. I don't think both will be back so given sales numbers, I think you will see the ZL1 return but not the Z/28. I think it is more likely you would see some sort of track-specific option package on the blown ZL1. __________________ Steve 2018 Camaro 2SS 1LE Black #3805 - SOLD

01-15-2015, 08:09 AM	#20
Burt Cone Killer Drives: 2012 SS Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: St. Albans, West Virginia Posts: 832	Whenever we find out the weight on the ATS-V, add a little to that for two extra cylinders, and you'll probably be in the ball park. Cadillac lists weight for the 3.6 ATS coupe at 3,530 lbs, so good luck getting them to lop over a quarter ton off the car. The transaxle would require modifying the platform, and that torque tube isn't made of unicorn farts and rainbows, so all that would work against the overall weight, cost, and interior volume. The LT4 seems reasonable, people bought ZL1s, so there's no reason to change that part of the formula. As for the hood, that's the final nail in the you-actually-want-a-Corvette coffin. __________________ 2012 Camaro SS - Sold Selling off my remaining wheels, tires, 27mm front sway bar, and MGW shift knob. Get them out of my house before my wife puts me out!

01-15-2015, 08:31 AM	#21
lbls1 Drives: 2002 Camaro SS SOM; 2015 Malibu LTZ Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 4,019	1. The next ZL1 should be as brilliant as the current one. 2. It should continue to blend tradition with the latest technology 3. It should feature the top (or one of the highest ranking) v8 from GM. 4. The price should not be out of reach of camaro fans. __________________ '02 CAMARO SS SOM; 5.7L LS1/FLS6B '08 TBSS AWD Black Granite Metallic '15 Malibu LTZ 2LZ Turbo *'14 CAMARO ZL1 Blue Ray Metallic*

01-15-2015, 08:36 AM	#22
tnspd Drives: 18 Camaro ZL1 1LE (WILSON) Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: N.C. Posts: 1,340	IMO one of the three track ready cars will be dropped from the lineup. You do not need 3 track ready cars. The only issue is which one and if it is the ZL1 they drop then they will be making a 1LE with an AUTO trans. 1LE = Budget track ready car ZL1 = Luxury track ready car Z/28 = Expensive track ready car However, it is possible that they keep the ZL1 with the AUTO trans and migrate it towards being a daily driver drag car. That would give the normal car enthusiast two track ready cars and a daily driver DRAG car. They need a normal guys drag car. The ZL1 could fit that bill. __________________ Camaro South Hot Cars and Hospitality on FB camarosouth@hotmail.com

01-15-2015, 02:04 AM	#16
NZcarguy Drives: Victory Red ZL1, Black Audi R8 Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: New Zealand Posts: 9	To add to the monkey.. a cargo net included from the factory to stop banana fallout Change the Mylink system, change the stereo supplier, add sub. Add the option for a fire extinguisher, ceramic disks.

01-15-2015, 07:35 AM	#19
Whos_Drivin Drives: '12 Camaro ZL1, '16 Silverado Z71 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Blaine, MN Posts: 846	Challenger has more HP than the Viper. GT500 has/had more HP than the GT. Why can't the Camaro have more HP than the Vette? They need to stay competitive within the segment.

01-15-2015, 08:41 AM	#24
Firefighter Drives: Black '13 2SS/RS/1LE w/NPP/NAV Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Tampa by way of Miami... Posts: 4,934	GM should start relying on turbos instead of the Eaton S/C's... Hopefully the ZR1 Zora Mid engine beast that is on the way will be AWD 6.2L Direct Injected TT beast... Then we get the next gen ZL1 with Turbo love... Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk __________________ My Build Thread... http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285054