2012 "Track Pack" Camaro to be called Z/28...

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by thePill

The Boss's are gone, Most of us who had money in hand were too late..

What was the volume?

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by thePill

I paid $36.8k for my Brembo, 401a GT...

The Boss's are gone, Most of us who had money in hand were too late..

Sorry, probably just me. I figured $5,000 was more than a "little".

[thePill]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

What was the volume?

4000...

[thePill]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Sorry, probably just me. I figured $5,000 was more than a "little".

Whats the GG tax nowadays? That's a joke... No need to answer...

[chain777]

Originally Posted by Number 3

A littlemore than a GT? I thought the sticker was $41,000 and up from there. Still not a bad deal, though.

And as mentioned around other threads, very few looking at an M3 are cross shopping Mustangs or Camaros for that matter.



Ford invented the Pony car segment. But I would also suggest that a low volume Boss doesn't make the Mustang a better car. It simply means they have a more focussed model available that most people aren't going to buy.

And you guys are forgetting one major thing. GM went through bankruptcy and cancelled or delayed a LOT of programs. If you want to judge GM on this fine. But Ford mortgaged the farm and blew borrowed money on products during that same stretch.

I'd say the money they "blew" by mortgaging the farm is paying off nicely.

And you're right, "most" people aren't going to buy them, only hard-core car enthusiasts. Those types love this car to death. This sub-forum wouldn't even exist if there wasn't interest in this type of car.

Originally Posted by Number 3

Sorry, probably just me. I figured $5,000 was more than a "little".

A fully loaded GT comes in right around the same price as a Boss. You trade luxury for performance. Makes perfect sense to me, it just depends on what your priorities are; performance or luxury. Ford gives you that choice with the Mustang. Chevy has the Corvette, but it's out of reach to the average joe.

[CamaroSkooter]

Originally Posted by thePill

Whats the GG tax nowadays? That's a joke... No need to answer...

None of the Camaros require a GG tax

[besherman]

Originally Posted by chain777

I'd say the money they "blew" by mortgaging the farm is paying off nicely.

And you're right, "most" people aren't going to buy them, only hard-core car enthusiasts. Those types love this car to death. This sub-forum wouldn't even exist if there wasn't interest in this type of car.



A fully loaded GT comes in right around the same price as a Boss. You trade luxury for performance. Makes perfect sense to me, it just depends on what your priorities are; performance or luxury. Ford gives you that choice with the Mustang. Chevy has the Corvette, but it's out of reach to the average joe.

From a business perspective, Ford's management has been superb---starting with Bill Ford's gutsy and selfless leadership. He was the guy who bet the farm buy borrowing all that cash in 2006-7 that allowed Ford to survive the 2008 collapse while---at the same time--investing in future product. He was also the guy who recruited Mullally and voluntarily stepped aside to give him full reign.

Think about this: If there was no GT500 would there still be a ZL1? If there was no Boss would there even be a prayer for a Z28?

Regarding the Corvette, money is not the only issue. The Vette and Camaro appeal to different audiences. For example, I am blessed enough to be able to afford a ZR1 for cash without breaking a sweat. While I marvel at its capabilities, it just doesn't do much for me emotionally. But a ZL1 convertible is the car I will buy without hesitation---and keep it forever.

I just have never really believed that the Corvette competes in the marketplace with either the Camaro or Mustang.

Bruce

[Phoenix328]

type in a search "rumor z28 still on the way" on google......i read an article that the author of one of the stories talked to an insider at gm and gm stated that a z28 will be released within the next 18 months.

[35th02ss]

Originally Posted by Dragoneye

So....because GM wasn't first this time around to produce a car with LOW demand and likely few here would buy....they're a follower and therefor inferior?

Wake up and smell the rubber people....while these cars are really cool, and we all drool over them -- the demand is almost non-existent and the return-on-investment is not worth it unless the only goal is bragging rights. (In a market where the Camaro is dominating the Mustang at every turn...bragging rights would be important for Ford, right now)

Remember...while Ford can throw some $$$ at this extremely-niche vehicle; GM financially supports both the Camaro AND the Corvette (one model of which is a better performer than 99% of production cars in the world). Put any Mustang up against even *just* a Grand Sport 'Vette and get back to me..........

Sorry for the little rant...but I wish people wouldn't be so quick to draw such wild conclusions out of thin-air, sometimes....

EDIT: Oh, and one more thing....just wait a little bit longer for the ZL1 to put down some numbers...I think MANY will be (or should be) blown away...

Agree 100%.....Would you rather have GM just put something out there, or get it right the first time?

[thePill]

Originally Posted by CamaroSkooter

None of the Camaros require a GG tax

Not yet...

[Bond]

Everyone knows the whole "save the best for last" saying.
There's a reason for it.

My prediction is that the Zed WILL return, simply cause it's always been the most coveted of the Camaro lineup. I however think that it will be as unique as the ZL1, but rather relieve the ZL1's ride components, with a tuned LS3. It was always said after all that the LS3 has potential beyond the 426 horses that the SS currently produces. I think that doing a mash of the two models would be effective, financially, and do the job that would bring the Z28 back to it's right name.

Oh, and they should also built it as a Manual tranny only!

[Bond]

Everyone knows the whole "save the best for last" saying.
There's a reason for it.

My prediction is that the Zed WILL return, simply cause it's always been the most coveted of the Camaro lineup. I however think that it won't be as unique as the ZL1, but rather relieve the ZL1's ride components, with a tuned LS3. It was always said after all that the LS3 has potential beyond the 426 horses that the SS currently produces. I think that doing a mash of the two models would be effective, financially, and do the job that would bring the Z28 back to it's right name.

Oh, and they should also built it as a manual tranny only!

[LOWDOWN]

With the BOSS (3600 lbs., 444 hp, 8.1 lb/hp) arguably called "the Best all-round Mustang ever" by magazine testers, it will take a Camaro of great(er) substance to equal/better its foe. 1SSs curb at 3850 lbs. and a few tricks may get that down by 50-100, after adding heavier upgraded suspension pieces. Which, to = BOSS, requires well over 460 hp. And the only non-boosted engine on the RPO shelf ready-to-go would be the LS7 (converted to wet-sump) which, @ 505 hp and a curb of 3750 (?) = 7.43...very close to the ZL1 but MUCH lighter (especially up-front) and therefore MUCH more nimble...

If the Mustang is BOSS, then meet the CAMARO C.E.O.!!

[Mr. Wyndham]

I think it's incredibly ironic that the Z28 speculation continues with the announcement of the ZL1...only because many (including myself), thought it would end with the revealing of the King of Camaros....

Anyways, it should be very interesting to see how it turns out. Especially given the boss-prostrating that's going on...I won't get nasty - Ford did a good job - suffice it to say that there are no magic bullets, and sometimes it's necessary to read beyond the hype....