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Old 10-19-2008, 09:03 PM   #337
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you were wrong weight wise by 200+ lbs
Actually I was and am right. The Camaro SS starts at 3860lb according to the General, and the auto trans versions starts just above 3900lb....which means a loaded version with 20" wheels, sunroof, etc should easily top 4k lb. The General numbers agree lockstep with me..
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Old 10-19-2008, 11:16 PM   #338
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nice coverup....oh wait it's opposite day..

people looking for best performance wont get the car loaded or with options thhat dont help performance.

epic fail you were wrong on the weight PERIOD.
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Old 10-19-2008, 11:19 PM   #339
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Actually I was and am right. The Camaro SS starts at 3860lb according to the General, and the auto trans versions starts just above 3900lb....which means a loaded version with 20" wheels, sunroof, etc should easily top 4k lb. The General numbers agree lockstep with me..
stop showing your ignorance.....the car comes with 20's stock and most people buying a car to race dont get a sunroof...
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Old 10-19-2008, 11:38 PM   #340
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stop showing your ignorance.....the car comes with 20's stock and most people buying a car to race dont get a sunroof...
logic doesnt go far in ford's world.
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Old 10-19-2008, 11:40 PM   #341
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no they do circle their problems so they have some logic...but very little.
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:09 AM   #342
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This thread is getting really sickening, if you are going to hate on cars, hate on the imports.
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:12 AM   #343
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Feel free to disagree, but please...let's try to keep it nice. Thanks.
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Old 10-20-2008, 12:52 AM   #344
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This thread is getting really sickening, if you are going to hate on cars, hate on the imports.
Imports are not even worth my comedic relief in this thread...
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Old 10-20-2008, 06:04 AM   #345
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GM and Chrysler guys should have special appreciation for that particular comment. Those words consistently being muttered each time monthly Mustang sales figures were released are likely the only reason why the Charger and Camaro exist again at all.
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Old 10-20-2008, 07:59 AM   #346
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last I checked mustang sales werent too great...
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Old 10-20-2008, 08:40 AM   #347
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nice coverup....oh wait it's opposite day..

people looking for best performance wont get the car loaded or with options thhat dont help performance.

epic fail you were wrong on the weight PERIOD.
Covering what up.....I'm still waiting for evidence that I'm wrong. (there isn't any) I said a base SS would weigh in at about 3870lb, GM claims 3860lb. I said a base SS with an auto trans would come in right on top of 4000lb, and GM claims 3913lb which still has me within 90lb of what the manufacturer claims. And then I said a loaded SS automatic would top out over 4000lb.....and I would be willing to bet the sunroof alone manages that feat.

All of that is correct. I never interjected any thing about what people racing the car would order because, frankly, it doesn't matter. If base cars are what you want to compare then the reality is that a base 2011 Mustang GT is easily going to come in around 300lb less even after you account for increased standard options and the slightly heavier drive-line.

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stop showing your ignorance.....the car comes with 20's stock and most people buying a car to race dont get a sunroof...
. Ah yes, I forgot to memorize the Camaro order options before I posted. Of course, that changes absolutely nothing about my comments regarding what the Camaro weighs. Base V8 trim, as light as an SS gets, this is a 3900lb car. I'm not making a value judgement on whether the car should or shouldn't weigh that much one way or the other, and my opinion wouldn't change what the car actually weighs if even if I did. But if you want to compare cars weight is an issue which affects handling and acceleration, that is just how it is.

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last I checked mustang sales werent too great...
Lat I checked sales of virtually everything weren't too great. But prior to the economic slowdown Mustang sales were trending about 150k per year with little to no rebates. I can't even remember the last time an American auto maker managed the same with a 2-door coupe, and the reality is that Dodge and Chevy both decided...and rightly so....that they wanted a piece of the action.
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Old 10-20-2008, 08:44 AM   #348
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this is stupid. if they wanted to they could tune the car for the "ring" and get a good laptime, just like GM did the cobalt ss/tc with its "21st century" torsion beam suspension
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Old 10-20-2008, 08:59 AM   #349
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This thread is getting really sickening, if you are going to hate on cars, hate on the imports.


Nothing wrong w/ Mustangs at all ... they must be doing something right ..!!


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Old 10-20-2008, 10:42 AM   #350
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Covering what up.....I'm still waiting for evidence that I'm wrong. (there isn't any) I said a base SS would weigh in at about 3870lb, GM claims 3860lb. I said a base SS with an auto trans would come in right on top of 4000lb, and GM claims 3913lb
seriously.

do you think? or just type.

"yaaa... errrh... emm... GM is lieing!!!"



Now if you want to compare fully loaded cars, you'd have to compare the fully loaded mustang...

fresh off the 'fordvehicles.com' website, just built a loaded Mustang GT.

GT folks, that means the same hp as our V6.

3787lbs, 43k. seriously? No wonder they wont sell.

Now you add 200lbs onto that for the new model and im not sure what your argument is.
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