The downsides to forced induction.

[jlauber588]

So I've been mulling over the idea of going forced induction on my car. Seen alot of talk about turbo vs super charger but not alot that talk about the downside.
So the question is what are the downsides to each??

Thanks for the input

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[SC2150]

You will need to but tires more often......will get dirty looks from V8 guys you beat, and of course there is the noise if you like your car quiet.

Not alot else .......

[jlauber588]

I've heard a rumor that going for long drives would not be good for the car due to the extra heat. My though was that isn't that the point of the intercooler? Bc my car is my DD so this would b a bad thing lol.

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[SIXJAK]

Im about to take the plunge but it seems right now that mainly its just getting the tune dialed in so there's no issues with the MAF or the fuel pump. And you'll need to pay a little closer to your car's oil and fluid levels.
With a turbo you really should let things cool down before you shut it off and there's a few more steps in upkeep. With SC, typically doesn't make as much boost as turbo.

With either, kiss your factory warranty goodbye if you still have one. However you can still buy a warranty for your FI'd Camaro through a 3rd party warranty service.

[Outlaw_Nation]

^ can you give me some info on that warranty? i would love to have that to have my back safety lol.

what i wanna see which one last longer. i havent really seen any CRAZY speedocam video which makes me like meh. and to a person like me that doesnt really hit that track i could careless about timeslips..if anyone knows me lingo...20 , 40 ,60 ,80 roll let me know and lock it up.

im going to be honest i dont know if my car is messed up from factory but im N.a with just intake , exhaust , tune , and i snapped the driveshaft ? somehow making a turn lol.

honestly i would like to build the car suspension to make it sure its safety.

but guys im going to be REALLY honest..what kills me...we are hitting 400 hp on a meh.
i got scared when CJ blew his motor on 505hp meth kit'ed. and then..i blew my motor at 38k due to idunno some 3.6l motor issues.

[Can't_C_Me]

Originally Posted by Outlaw_Nation

^ can you give me some info on that warranty? i would love to have that to have my back safety lol.

what i wanna see which one last longer. i havent really seen any CRAZY speedocam video which makes me like meh. and to a person like me that doesnt really hit that track i could careless about timeslips..if anyone knows me lingo...20 , 40 ,60 ,80 roll let me know and lock it up.

im going to be honest i dont know if my car is messed up from factory but im N.a with just intake , exhaust , tune , and i snapped the driveshaft ? somehow making a turn lol.

honestly i would like to build the car suspension to make it sure its safety.

but guys im going to be REALLY honest..what kills me...we are hitting 400 hp on a meh.
i got scared when CJ blew his motor on 505hp meth kit'ed. and then..i blew my motor at 38k due to idunno some 3.6l motor issues.

I don't want to comment on the CJ engine failure. But we have a few cars running alot of power with no issues other than the MAF being maxed out or the fuel pump. I be ripping and running the streets and I enjoy it. From a roll to WOT is my favorite part of going FI. That 1/4 stuff is cool but not a need in my book. But I will do a few runs just to see soon.

[Outlaw_Nation]

we still havent gotten over teh fuel pump issue ? at times i wish this was as easy as boosting a honda...they just grab mad crap and slap it all together and make over 300rwhp -_-

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Well, this technology is fairly new for GM, Ford and Dodge. The mainstay of their performance cars has been older technology with high displacement. I think it is pretty amazing that Tracy and I build a setup (as opposed doing what others had done many times before) in less than a week and were making about 350 rwhp on low boost and even took it to the track. If you aren't the adventure type, then just be patient while we work out all the issues. If you like a challenge, join in and help make progress.

[Outlaw_Nation]

doesnt the mazdaspeed3 have the same issues?

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by Outlaw_Nation

doesnt the mazdaspeed3 have the same issues?

Yes, to make big power they have to use an aftermarket pump. And remember, those things come from the factory with a turbo. Our cars are NA and we are having to fab everything to make them work.

[SIXJAK]

Originally Posted by Outlaw_Nation

^ can you give me some info on that warranty? i would love to have that to have my back safety lol.

what i wanna see which one last longer. i havent really seen any CRAZY speedocam video which makes me like meh. and to a person like me that doesnt really hit that track i could careless about timeslips..if anyone knows me lingo...20 , 40 ,60 ,80 roll let me know and lock it up.

im going to be honest i dont know if my car is messed up from factory but im N.a with just intake , exhaust , tune , and i snapped the driveshaft ? somehow making a turn lol.

honestly i would like to build the car suspension to make it sure its safety.

but guys im going to be REALLY honest..what kills me...we are hitting 400 hp on a meh.
i got scared when CJ blew his motor on 505hp meth kit'ed. and then..i blew my motor at 38k due to idunno some 3.6l motor issues.

I haven't looked into an exact warranty yet but there are a lot of companies out there that offer extended warranties. Just make sure you read the fine print and communicate clearly with them about what they're warrantying so there are no surprises like "uhhhh we don't cover FI....derrrrr"

[SC2150]

Do a google search on "after market warranty" and you will find a ton, but as jak states...make sure to specify super charged.

Also, jlauber, that rumor would have been true before intercoolers back in the 60's and 70's, but every auto manufacturer today offers super charged and/or turbo charged.

And here is a dyno graph on Gretchens still not at full boost. Gretchen & I accomplished in less than one week what others had failed to do in months prior.:

[lesson1]

When yall finish I am sure that 500 hp will be achieved.

[SC2150]

hit that today....possibly more in it but dont want to push the limits even further than they aready are.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Yeah, we are probably at the limits for what the crank can take now. Rhino and Vince are busting there butts to give me a broad power curve without going over 500. It has proved tough now that we have all this fuel at our disposal. They are being very careful how the proceed at this point. I think it safe to say we can have as much power as we want, we just want to make sure we use it wisely.

[Mach]

Nice work Gretchen and Tracy.. Buy remember boys..

With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility

[SC2150]

LOL!!You are correct, And these are uncharted waters!!!

Cant wait to see 1/4 mile times.

[SSE 4 2SS]

Originally Posted by SC2150

LOL!!You are correct, And these are uncharted waters!!!

Cant wait to see 1/4 mile times.

OMG, Gretchen sporting 500 big bad horses at the rear wheels... Freaking Awesome...

I gotta see this girl at the Fest no doubt... Heck, I'ld like to get pics of her and Brandi together... Two Bad Turbo cars...

You guys go.....

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by SSE 4 2SS

OMG, Gretchen sporting 500 big bad horses at the rear wheels... Freaking Awesome...

I gotta see this girl at the Fest no doubt... Heck, I'ld like to get pics of her and Brandi together... Two Bad Turbo cars...

You guys go.....

Thanks. Yeah, we are getting into very scary terrritory right now.

[SSE 4 2SS]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

Thanks. Yeah, we are getting into very scary terrritory right now.

I hear you...

My builder finished my Nitrous/fuel cell install, and is working on the new fuel system, and the boost controller...

We'll be dialing it up into the stratosphere when I get home... Yes, it is scary territory, but you sure seem to have the right guys working on it...

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by SSE 4 2SS

I hear you...

My builder finished my Nitrous/fuel cell install, and is working on the new fuel system, and the boost controller...

We'll be dialing it up into the stratosphere when I get home... Yes, it is scary territory, but you sure seem to have the right guys working on it...

I can't even imagine what yours will be like!!!

[TJ91]

woah, 500? Glad to see you guys making soo much progess. Hopefully you guys iron out any outstanding issues and gt some killer times. Regardless of times, im sure its a beast on the road!

[Can't_C_Me]

Way to go Derrick. We are going to have to wait until tomorrow for Vince as the site shows they are closed today. But I have the intake pipes ready to roll.