Ford committed to the internal combustion V8 for the Mustang indefinitely

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by detamble13

Dodge is coming out with a 2 door Charger that might have an ICE and possibly a manual. I remain hopeful gm gives us something as I prefer their product but won't hold my breath. Good for Ford though and I might end up with a Mustang one day.

No manual for the new Charger, but it is coming with the new Hurricane I6 engine and looking to be somewhere around 500hp. To date, there isn't a plan for any V8 in it. Still, that's better than nothing at least...

Originally Posted by h422694

And still Corvette is outselling Camaros by a significant percentage, 21-23, and the percentage will only increase for '24.

You can thank GM and Covid for that part....

[detamble13]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

No manual for the new Charger, but it is coming with the new Hurricane I6 engine and looking to be somewhere around 500hp. To date, there isn't a plan for any V8 in it. Still, that's better than nothing at least

I read as much as I can about the new Charger. Where did you see the I6 was confirmed and no manual?

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by detamble13

I read as much as I can about the new Charger. Where did you see the I6 was confirmed and no manual?

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/nex...-hurricane-i6/

Just one of the articles regarding this. If you really want in-depth stuff on the new Charger, look for articles by Patrick Rall - he's a personal friend and a serious MOPAR in the know person.

They've already shown several pictures of the Charger with a trans tunnel, and some of them with what appears to be exhaust vents on the rear as well.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

No manual for the new Charger,

“No sign of a manual transmission offering” isn’t necessarily a confirmation verbatim of no manual transmission. The author is just explaining they didn’t see one.

[102SS]

Pretty hard to justify investing in car that had plummeting sales since 2016.

If they could have sustained 50k a year a 7th gen would certainly be on the horizon.

Maybe another 7 year pause would renew interest again.

2023...... 23,678
2022...... 24,652
2021....... 21,893
2020....... 29,775
2019....... 48,265
2018....... 50,963
2017....... 67,940
2016....... 72,705
2015....... 77,502
2014 ........86,297
2013 ........80,294
2012....... 91,314
2011....... 88,249
2010 .......81,299
2009....... 61,648
Total .......906,474

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by olrocker

“No sign of a manual transmission offering” isn’t necessarily a confirmation verbatim of no manual transmission. The author is just explaining they didn’t see one.

To be blunt, manuals have been a dying trend now for about 2 decades and it's only gotten worse the last 5-10 years. Throw in the fact that the car was planned to be as much a EV first, I would sooner believe they'd put a Hellcat motor in it.... before a manual.

Originally Posted by 102SS

Pretty hard to justify investing in car that had plummeting sales since 2016.

If they could have sustained 50k a year a 7th gen would certainly be on the horizon.

Maybe another 7 year pause would renew interest again.

2023...... 23,678
2022...... 24,652
2021....... 21,893
2020....... 29,775
2019....... 48,265
2018....... 50,963
2017....... 67,940
2016....... 72,705
2015....... 77,502
2014 ........86,297
2013 ........80,294
2012....... 91,314
2011....... 88,249
2010 .......81,299
2009....... 61,648
Total .......906,474

Well to start, 3 of those last 4 years were basically COVID, when you either couldn't get parts, paint, or a car in general. Hell, even in 2024 they ran into a combination of strikes and part issues.

So let's cut to the real issues then....

1.) There were a good portion of customers who literally hated that the 6th gen looked like the 5th gen.

2.) GM made literally no effort to sell the car via advertisement or discounts

3.) GM made no effort to bump HP to combat their competition while their competition bumped HP and offered more HP options.

4.) Car was simply over spec'd and over priced compared to stripper models for the Mustang/Challenger. Instead of offering the models like they did with the 5th gen, they chased too much money...

5.) GM cares way too much about the Corvette, not realizing they are pricing themselves out of market by a lot of normal people. This is going to cost them both customers and interest in other models as well.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

To be blunt, manuals have been a dying trend now for about 2 decades and it's only gotten worse the last 5-10 years. Throw in the fact that the car was planned to be as much a EV first, I would sooner believe they'd put a Hellcat motor in it.... before a manual.





Well to start, 3 of those last 4 years were basically COVID, when you either couldn't get parts, paint, or a car in general. Hell, even in 2024 they ran into a combination of strikes and part issues.

So let's cut to the real issues then....

1.) There were a good portion of customers who literally hated that the 6th gen looked like the 5th gen.

2.) GM made literally no effort to sell the car via advertisement or discounts

3.) GM made no effort to bump HP to combat their competition while their competition bumped HP and offered more HP options.

4.) Car was simply over spec'd and over priced compared to stripper models for the Mustang/Challenger. Instead of offering the models like they did with the 5th gen, they chased too much money...

5.) GM cares way too much about the Corvette, not realizing they are pricing themselves out of market by a lot of normal people. This is going to cost them both customers and interest in other models as well.

I'll also add that while they clearly made the best performance car in the class, and one of the best performance to dollar cars ever built it wasn't great as a car. People always seem to forget that the V-8 powered cars in this segment, only make up like 25 to 30% of the total volume. Someone looking at the V8 trims can over look some of the things people like to nit pick, like the trunk opening/size space inside visibility etc. They can over look those because the performance is so insane. Someone looking at the entry trims, isn't going to over look those things and unfortunately those customers are the ones that make up the bulk of the volume.

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by DevilsReject97

To be blunt, manuals have been a dying trend now for about 2 decades and it's only gotten worse the last 5-10 years. Throw in the fact that the car was planned to be as much a EV first, I would sooner believe they'd put a Hellcat motor in it.... before a manual

Toyota of all companies is continuing to offer the manual on the sporty version of the Corolla, and brought a manual to the new Supra after loud and persistent demand when they initially insisted they never would.

Mustang will continue to have a manual with the V8 until it dies, which now may be never.

Porsche has publicly stated no way would they ever stop offering the 911 without a flat 6 and a true manual.

The manual may be down, but it’s not out. In fact there was an article in Road and Track a few months ago talking about Gen Z’s new found interest in the manual transmission.

[m6-lt1]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I'll also add that while they clearly made the best performance car in the class, and one of the best performance to dollar cars ever built it wasn't great as a car. People always seem to forget that the V-8 powered cars in this segment, only make up like 25 to 30% of the total volume. Someone looking at the V8 trims can over look some of the things people like to nit pick, like the trunk opening/size space inside visibility etc. They can over look those because the performance is so insane. Someone looking at the entry trims, isn't going to over look those things and unfortunately those customers are the ones that make up the bulk of the volume.

Actually from 2020-2024 sales of the V8 models have been just over 50% (53% if I am remembering correctly). Someone figured out a way to get all the window stickers from 2020-2024 models and posted info about each car sold in excel files on this forum. I was surprised to see sales of v8’s that high as I also thought it was a lower percentage.

[DevilsReject97]

Originally Posted by olrocker

Toyota of all companies is continuing to offer the manual on the sporty version of the Corolla, and brought a manual to the new Supra after loud and persistent demand when they initially insisted they never would.

Mustang will continue to have a manual with the V8 until it dies, which now may be never.

Porsche has publicly stated no way would they ever stop offering the 911 without a flat 6 and a true manual.

The manual may be down, but it’s not out. In fact there was an article in Road and Track a few months ago talking about Gen Z’s new found interest in the manual transmission.

I love manual cars and up until about the last 5-6 years, had generally had at least one manual car. However, they are just dying out more and more. And that's all my comment was about. It's not to talk bad, it's just the reality of what's in the market.

Porsche: Performance
Mustang: Performance
Toyota Corolla: Economy (and more sold over seas than here)
Supra: BMW Performance...

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

Actually from 2020-2024 sales of the V8 models have been just over 50% (53% if I am remembering correctly). Someone figured out a way to get all the window stickers from 2020-2024 models and posted info about each car sold in excel files on this forum. I was surprised to see sales of v8’s that high as I also thought it was a lower percentage.

interesting. I think last time I looked was a few years ago so good catch!