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Chris82xx · 01-20-2014, 11:15 PM

After weeks of sorting out specifics to the short block, things are now in motion for a big build. In December, I brought my car down to ECS for a blower upgrade to a YSi, and to install a set of TSP 260cc, 6-bolt heads. Everything seemed to be going well until ECS discovered a small hiccup. Because of the larger cam, and the degree of the valves on the new heads, there was not enough piston-to-valve clearance. ECS notified me and offered the solution of fly cutting the pistons. Even though it was preached to me that it was a safe solution, I felt it was best to leave the pistons alone.

My suggestion was to build a shortblock. ECS concurred and suggested a 416, with Lunati components and Wiseco pistons. With all the research I've done, I could not find a lot of information on builds with Lunati components. I responded by asking for Callies rods and a Compstar crank. There was no problem with making the switch. I began to think of other block options. Instead of using a standard LS3, what about an LSA. It made more sense because they were already built for boost. So I took my theory to the forums. I got a lot of mixed reviews.

About a day later, I contacted ECS and to my surprise, they had a suggestion that I should've thought of in the first place. Since I already have the 6-bolt heads, why not match them up to a 6-bolt block. The LSX block. The only question left was a 408ci, or a 427ci. That was a no-brainer. However, since we agreed on an LSX, I set a goal for them. I want to break the 1,000 rwhp mark. The response was no problem. After ECS consulted with TSP about the build, I got another call from ECS letting me know that if I wanted to get to 1K, that a Compastar crank may not be the best solution. So after fining tuning the build, this is how the motor will be set up to include the TSP 6-bolt heads:

LSX 427 block
-20cc Wiseco pistons with steel top napier ring
Callies Ultra Billet "I" beam connecting rods
Callies Dragon Slayer crankshaft
58x reluctor wheel
ARP main studs with ARP head studs
ID 850 injectors being swapped out for Bosch 1000cc injectors.

In addition to what is in listed in my sig., I have also the following components that are being added.

Mantic 9000 twin series clutch
GTO clutch resevoir
IDeal Garage clutch master cylinder
Pfadt solid sub-frame bushings
Pfadt coil overs
DBA front/rear rotors with Hawk HP Ceramic pads
LPE launch controller
Hurst Line lock

The goal is to reach 1K whp, which will be going to M/T ET Street Radial II tires. This is also going to be me street driven daily driver. The motor build time expected to be about 3-4 weeks and after that, it's all up to the guys at ECS who will also be taking care of the break-in period too. My time frame for completion is simply this. There will be another D.O.R. competition being held on April 5. I would like to participate in this with the car. Pictures will be up as things progress. Let the fun begin!!

Detoxx03 · 01-20-2014, 11:45 PM

Nice build list. Should buggie pretty well. I ordered my Mantic 9000 from ECS earlier today.

UNRIVALED SS · 01-21-2014, 12:47 AM

That's how you do it right there !

Bo White · 01-21-2014, 02:45 AM

Hey....don't be starting threads like this with no dyno #s!

Sounds like a very durable and potent build, good luck with it.

thebeast916 · 01-21-2014, 05:21 AM

Nice! I'm having Texas speed build my engine as well.

ZuluKilla8 · 01-21-2014, 07:58 AM

Sounds nasty man!

blake2010ss · 01-21-2014, 08:34 AM

Thats gonna be awesome... Except the mt drag radials probably wearing fast... But gotta pay to play with that hp #

Unreal · 01-21-2014, 08:38 AM

Very similar to my setup. I have a LSX 427 with calles dragon slayer, ultra billet rods, and Ross pistons. Turn the blower hard enough and 1k will be easy.

Trackman · 01-21-2014, 01:14 PM

I have been researching this set up for a bit.
If the recipe works I'll have ECS build me one too!
Subscribed.

jessrayo · 01-21-2014, 02:06 PM

Congrats, good call on the 6 bolt block and heads. I'll be following you to see how this goes. Don't know if you ordered parts or even thought about it much but the LSX block weighs about 80 lbs more than the alumminum competition. I don't know the availibility right now. I had to wait a long time to get my block. You are going to have a sweet set-up though.

Slowhawk · 01-21-2014, 02:09 PM

Excellent. I wouldn't be worried about a goal of 1000rwhp. It's not about that. The big cubes and ysi will make a ton of low/midrange power. That's were it's at.

East Coast Supercharging · 01-21-2014, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trackman

I have been researching this set up for a bit.
If the recipe works I'll have ECS build me one too!
Subscribed.

We have many builds of this nature, we have been building them like that for over ten years now in the Corvette/GTO/CTSV/camaro platform. Same engines, just a different box.

Chris82xx · 01-21-2014, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jessrayo

Congrats, good call on the 6 bolt block and heads. I'll be following you to see how this goes. Don't know if you ordered parts or even thought about it much but the LSX block weighs about 80 lbs more than the alumminum competition. I don't know the availibility right now. I had to wait a long time to get my block. You are going to have a sweet set-up though.

There was no problem with availability of any of the parts. Between ECS, and myself talking to TSP, they won't want to hear from us for a long time. It wasn't the block I was worried about them not having, it was actually the crank. It's a very popular and proven crank, that's why sometimes it can be difficult to get. There was not a single issue with any of the parts being in stock. Everything is already in stock. The added weight I'm not overly concerned with. My car is a convertible, so I'm already at a disadvantage with weight to begin with.

nyny69 · 01-21-2014, 05:05 PM

You plan on racing Jamie when it's done. Or just shooting for a 1000 hp 12s car.

01-20-2014, 11:15 PM	#1
Chris82xx Make your peace with God! Drives: 2011 Camaro SS/RS M6 Convertible Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Dirty Jersey Posts: 1,595	Chris82xx/ECS, LSX 427 w/YSi build. After weeks of sorting out specifics to the short block, things are now in motion for a big build. In December, I brought my car down to ECS for a blower upgrade to a YSi, and to install a set of TSP 260cc, 6-bolt heads. Everything seemed to be going well until ECS discovered a small hiccup. Because of the larger cam, and the degree of the valves on the new heads, there was not enough piston-to-valve clearance. ECS notified me and offered the solution of fly cutting the pistons. Even though it was preached to me that it was a safe solution, I felt it was best to leave the pistons alone. My suggestion was to build a shortblock. ECS concurred and suggested a 416, with Lunati components and Wiseco pistons. With all the research I've done, I could not find a lot of information on builds with Lunati components. I responded by asking for Callies rods and a Compstar crank. There was no problem with making the switch. I began to think of other block options. Instead of using a standard LS3, what about an LSA. It made more sense because they were already built for boost. So I took my theory to the forums. I got a lot of mixed reviews. About a day later, I contacted ECS and to my surprise, they had a suggestion that I should've thought of in the first place. Since I already have the 6-bolt heads, why not match them up to a 6-bolt block. The LSX block. The only question left was a 408ci, or a 427ci. That was a no-brainer. However, since we agreed on an LSX, I set a goal for them. I want to break the 1,000 rwhp mark. The response was no problem. After ECS consulted with TSP about the build, I got another call from ECS letting me know that if I wanted to get to 1K, that a Compastar crank may not be the best solution. So after fining tuning the build, this is how the motor will be set up to include the TSP 6-bolt heads: LSX 427 block -20cc Wiseco pistons with steel top napier ring Callies Ultra Billet "I" beam connecting rods Callies Dragon Slayer crankshaft 58x reluctor wheel ARP main studs with ARP head studs ID 850 injectors being swapped out for Bosch 1000cc injectors. In addition to what is in listed in my sig., I have also the following components that are being added. Mantic 9000 twin series clutch GTO clutch resevoir IDeal Garage clutch master cylinder Pfadt solid sub-frame bushings Pfadt coil overs DBA front/rear rotors with Hawk HP Ceramic pads LPE launch controller Hurst Line lock The goal is to reach 1K whp, which will be going to M/T ET Street Radial II tires. This is also going to be me street driven daily driver. The motor build time expected to be about 3-4 weeks and after that, it's all up to the guys at ECS who will also be taking care of the break-in period too. My time frame for completion is simply this. There will be another D.O.R. competition being held on April 5. I would like to participate in this with the car. Pictures will be up as things progress. Let the fun begin!! __________________ ECS base supercharger (NOVI 1500SL), ECS AlKY control kit, 92mm TB, ARH 1 7/8" LT's non-catted, Borla 3" exhaust, ID850 injectors, Squash fuel system, ECS Big Blower Cam, MGW short throw shifter, DSS 1000hp axles, LGW differential cover, billet caps, Tech AFX heater hoses, Pedders differential bushings, Eaton TrueTrac differential, PRC dual valve springs, Katech C5R timing chain, ATI balancer, Meilings oil pump, Pfadt Trailing Arms, Pfadt Tie Rods, Pfadt Sway Bars, Pfadt End Links, DSS Aluminum Driveshaft 811RWHP/719RWTQ UNDER MAJOR OVERHAUL!! Last edited by Chris82xx; 01-22-2014 at 10:55 AM.

01-20-2014, 11:45 PM	#2
Detoxx03 ЯєŧąяĐ Єl¡m¡иąŧøя ™ Drives: 2008 Corvette Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Woodward Avenue Posts: 876 View My Garage	Nice build list. Should buggie pretty well. I ordered my Mantic 9000 from ECS earlier today. __________________ D1SC Procharger 932/758 on E85 A Futral Motorsports Creation https://www.facebook.com/DetoxxAtomic

01-21-2014, 02:45 AM	#4
Bo White Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Vance Alabama Posts: 8,019	Hey....don't be starting threads like this with no dyno #s! Sounds like a very durable and potent build, good luck with it. __________________ Retired wanna be cylinder head porter 2015 2SS 1LE Clutch reservoir, Vararam DRX, ported TB, TSP 2" headers, MGW shifter Totalled: 2010 1SS Wilkes Performance/Eagle 416 shortblock, TSP custom valvetrain, PRC 260 heads, Edelbrock Pro Flo 102, th400 swap, 8" PTC 5500 stall= 535/435 at the wheels tuned Gen 3 Performance and Dyno 10.97 @ 124 full weight in 3100 DA CamaroFest X

01-21-2014, 07:58 AM	#6
ZuluKilla8 Drives: 2010 Camaro 1SS/RS RJT Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: NJ Posts: 831	Sounds nasty man! __________________ 2010 Camaro SS LS3 Holley Hi-Ram Manifold,Custom grind boost cam,Vortech V-3,10Rib 3.47 Pully Airfilter Pipe Delete, 10 PSI, TSP LT Headers, Flowmaster Outlaws, Alky Control Meth Kit, PFADT 1.25, ZL1 Fuel Pump, DSS 1000HP axles, Mantic ER2 Clutch, Full BMR rear suspension drag pack upgrade. C6 Vette 18 rims with M/T 305 out back. COPO Hood Race Proven Motorsports tuned

01-21-2014, 08:34 AM	#7
blake2010ss Drives: 2010 Camaro 2ss/rs Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: stone mountain, GA Posts: 2,228	Thats gonna be awesome... Except the mt drag radials probably wearing fast... But gotta pay to play with that hp # __________________ 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS LS3 1093/1066 416, AGP 6262, E85, Cam

01-21-2014, 12:47 AM	#3
UNRIVALED SS Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: El Paso Posts: 704 View My Garage	That's how you do it right there !

01-21-2014, 05:21 AM	#5
thebeast916 Drives: Blown G8 GT Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 782	Nice! I'm having Texas speed build my engine as well.

01-21-2014, 08:38 AM	#8
Unreal Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 5,712	Very similar to my setup. I have a LSX 427 with calles dragon slayer, ultra billet rods, and Ross pistons. Turn the blower hard enough and 1k will be easy. __________________ Nick Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp

01-21-2014, 01:14 PM	#9
Trackman Drives: 67RS Camaro ,Black 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Alberta Posts: 1,408	I have been researching this set up for a bit. If the recipe works I'll have ECS build me one too! Subscribed.

01-21-2014, 02:06 PM	#10
jessrayo Speed Freak Drives: 2013 ZL1 Camaro, 2016 Camaro SS Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Ardmore, OK Posts: 2,637 View My Garage	Congrats, good call on the 6 bolt block and heads. I'll be following you to see how this goes. Don't know if you ordered parts or even thought about it much but the LSX block weighs about 80 lbs more than the alumminum competition. I don't know the availibility right now. I had to wait a long time to get my block. You are going to have a sweet set-up though. __________________ 2016 SS -AGP twin Borg Warner 7163 EFR's, LT4 mechanical pump, LT4 injectors, Walbro 255 low side, Castrol SRF. 734whp/759 tq 2013 ZL1 -ADM - 427 LSX 6 bolt, O-ringed block built by LME. Twin PT6466 turbos. RPM custom manual trans, RPS Quad carbon clutch, 9" Hendrix rear diff & axles. ADM/squash fuel system, Ron Davis radiator, Spal fans, AGP air to air, turbo plumbing. LPE oil cooler, rear bushing upgrade, roll bar...etc. rwhp 1400+... 212.5mph, best Texas mile to date.

01-21-2014, 02:09 PM	#11
Slowhawk Drives: 1999 Trans Am Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bridgewater,Ma Posts: 2,017	Excellent. I wouldn't be worried about a goal of 1000rwhp. It's not about that. The big cubes and ysi will make a ton of low/midrange power. That's were it's at.

01-21-2014, 05:05 PM	#14
nyny69 Drives: 2010 IOM SS Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NY Posts: 1,397	You plan on racing Jamie when it's done. Or just shooting for a 1000 hp 12s car.