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$2000 ain't much huh, well a buddy here at work wanted to get a Camaro, but with that nice incentive, their standard lower cost and extra moving by the dealer...it was enough to move him to a Stang. If $2000 ain't much, go ahead and send a check to me. You must be smoking good stuff if you dream of Stangs, today or tomorrow moving at a 4 to 1 level over Camaro's...let me know if you need someone to take that bet. Bragging rights... but Ford brass when questioned about being outsold, are insisting they aren't in it for bragging rights...yeah, right, you know it's eating into their crawl big time.
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Of those delivered, how many were CONVERTIBLES?
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05-05-2011, 07:12 PM | #46 |
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Thanks for the data, and "thePill" for the extra commentary as well.
I would love to see this done as a stacked bar chart delineating the breakdown of coups and verts for both the 'stang and the Camaro, but it doesn't look like that data is easily accessible, and I don't think spasticsquirrel is that reliable for total counts, just trends. I can never get it to work for too much granularity for me anyway.
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05-05-2011, 09:33 PM | #47 |
I used to be Dragoneye...
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*checking URL....*
Nope. Still no "Mustang" in the site name..... |
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Back in 2000-2002, Mustang outsold the Camaro/Firebird on a ratio of 4:1. Currently, it is almost 1:1 and will remain that way until the Mustang is redesigned in 2014. In 2014, Ford will offer the 2.0 Ecoboost Inline 4 cylinder in the Mustang for the first time since the 1980's. The sales volume on the 2.0E will make up more than 60% of the Mustang's sales and could mirror the sales of other Ford Ecoboost 4's and economy engine cars such as the Focus and Fiesta. With a new model and offering the 275hp Ecoboost 4, it is very possible the Mustang will out sell the tired Camaro on a ratio of 4:1. A fuel efficient sports coupe/convertible will sell very well, especially in new skin and the Mustang name attached to it. Depending on the sales success of tyhe new Mustang, the Camaro may be forced to be redesigned earlier than expected. I myself am in the market for a 2014 2.0 Ecoboost convertible Mustang, even more so if it comes with a 35MPG highway rating. Ford makes adjustments to brag, regardless of what they tell the media. Ford also commented that Flatrock only operates with one shift... Ford cannot physically sell anymore Mustang's... It is impossible.. The most important thing now is to focus on production numbers associated with actual sales.. The S197 was very successful, no need to make any last minute mistakes... Edit: By the time 2014 rolls around, the 5th Gen will be dragging it's feet in sales. The more Camaro's that sell today the less Camaro's will sell tomorrow. By about 2012-13, the 5th Gen will be up for a mid model refresh or perhaps even around the same time Ford goes public with the 50th Anniversary Mustang to shush the buzz a little. We’re looking at a good 200 pound weight reduction not counting the 4 cylinder which will obviously be the lightest offering. The dimensions should be very close to what is available today or somewhat similar to the M3's. The physical size cannot be too much smaller as Ford still needs to squeeze the 5.0 between the strut towers and the length and wheelbase would look awkward if the track width remains the same. Last edited by thePill; 05-06-2011 at 04:29 AM. |
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05-07-2011, 04:17 AM | #51 | |
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By 2014, The 5th Gen Camaro's sales will be at the lowest during its model life and will need a refresh to help with sales. There is a big possibility that the 5th Gen won't even make it to where the S197 has as far a model life goes. The S197 will be almost 10 years old when it leaves production, that is incredible for an automobile today and it still manages strong spring/summer sales. The S197 will be close to one million sales when it leaves the fleet, something that the 5th Gen Camaro cannot replicate. As of today, the Camaro has sold just as many units as the Mustang sold in 2005 alone, I know the market has changed and it will change again when Ford redefines the Pony Car market in 2014. The reality is, the Eco 4 cylinders will carry the pony car market into the next generation and any Eco pony car will dominate the segment... the question is, how long can GM hold out on the 5th Gen while pent up demand for a new lightweight economy/performance sport coupe is available... and as the market slowly changes into whatever the Mustang becomes. I hope that the 5th Gen Camaro can survive until 2017... Last edited by thePill; 05-07-2011 at 06:30 AM. |
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Second, Eco 4 cylinder pony car? Isn't that an oxymoron? (stress on the moron part) If pony/muscle cars go that direction, they are going to lose their current customer base (enthusiasts). Just the thought of eliminating the V-8 has some trembling in their britches. Maybe they will pick up a new customer base, but i seriously doubt it, these automobiles are a fortune to insure and there are many other "Eco-friendly" cars that won't break the bank. Ford can sell all the eco-crap they want, but I would argue that is not, and never will be, the market for these automobiles; if they want to cut their own throat... fine by me. Lets hope there is never an eco-camaro! Finally, it looks as though GM is fully understanding their customer base. People who want a Camaro, want something unique... something their own. GM is releasing limited editions every 6 months, breathing new life into the Camaro every year! Instead of trying to target outside of their market, they are tying to attract as much of the market as they can... knowing that it is a limited market. I believe you even proved this in a previous post... the market for these cars is limited, and when one manufacturer gains customers, the others lose. GM is increasing their share of the market, while Ford is losing. (facts are facts)
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I own Stock in GM. Thanks Guys! Keep on buying!
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Ford had no competition in 2005 and that was partially the reason they sold huge amounts of the new car. The more they sold then, the less they will sell now.. Just as the 1964-66 Mustangs sold large quantities, when the Camaro came out in 1967, the Mustang's sales dropped... but the profits were already made. By the time the '69 Mustang came out, Ford was only selling a fraction of what they had been, same with the Camaro... sales were down across the board. Since the Camaro was released in 2009, the Mustang's sales have doubled, some of that has to do with the mid-model refresh, some of that is the engine (both V6 and V8) and some of that is just interest in the market. Last month, 12,000 consumers thought that the Camaro didn't look good enough, didn't perform good enough and was too expensive to buy. Looks are subjective, if the Camaro did in fact look the best, then the Camaro would have sold 22,000 cars last month... I personally did not like the Camaro enough to buy it in 2009 based on looks, I loved the performance... but the car bothered me from certain angles. Quote:
I never said that the V8 would be eliminated, but the base models would be made to appeal to a broader market... A market that will bring more than just the 1% of enthusiast, the type of consumers that want a car that is fun and easy to live with. GM can continue to just offer the V6 and V8, they are free to do that... but remember, the Mustang's sales numbers will be as high, if not higher than the current economy base cars today. Who wouldn't want a fun, fast and affordable sports coupe that gets fantastic fuel mileage with almost unlimited options? This is how these cars survived when so many others have died... because they were fun... Quote:
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Ford's Eco Boost 3.5L is more boost than Eco.
I have a feeling that GM's 3.6L twin turbo would be the same. Just don't thiink the fuel savings are that much unless they make a decision to gear them tall. |
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Those are the V6 Ecoboost/Ecotech engines, they will probably find a home in the Mustang III and 6th Gen. I am talking about the base 2.0 Inline 4 cylinder engines that both Ford and GM have. They produce between 275-300hp and achieve 30-35+mpg. I am seriously considering my first convertible being an Ecoboost 2.0 Mustang III...
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