[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

2012 went to fe4 standard SS suspension over fe3. Not sure on all the details of it. I know at least the swaybars are different. Haven't checked in years. But it does handle better/ was an improvement from what I remember.


And lol at comparing brakes on SS and scat pack. A heavier car needs more brakes. If they are using the same that is really sad. Also a lot more to a handling comparison than a figure eight and lateral g.

Good to know!

Yea but good luck finding a lap time on same day with same driver for a Scat Pack and base SS. Braking, Figure 8 and lateral are just the easiest things to measure consistently, and MT does it for all their cars so the variables are reduced as much as you can get.

[IOMike]

The 2010 SS was not very well regarded for its handling. There were a lot of bad reviews about its handling IIRC. Looks to be a little better than the new scat pack though.

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by newmoon

If you want to rule out the SRT8 from this discussion that is fine I don't agree but I get it. You however do understand the the 392 ScatPack is an option for the R/T model correct? So please tell me why it shouldn't be compared with the SS/GT models.

If you don't like that I stated I preferred my Challenger over my SS and GT I don't know what else to say. Would I have traded my SRT8 for a auto ZL1 or a GT500 in a heartbeat.

Scat pack R/T maybe since Dodge lowered the price under what a SRT8 core cost but that's not the point and only applies to the 2015 MY. YOU were talking about how much better the 392 SRT8 was vs the GT & SS. I consider those cars in different price brackets. Your responses had complete fan boy bias in them.

Using the 2013 MY for example before destination charges and GG tax starting MSRP's
R/T $29,995, GT $31,095, 1SS $32,635, GT premium $35,095, 2SS $36,135, SRT8 core $38,995, BOSS 302 $42,995, SRT8 $44,195, GT500 $54,200, ZL1 $54,350.
I would also like to point out the only two cars that I know of that get the GG tax on that list is the SRT8 and ZL1 so those will be even more.

So, going by price points in trim levels do you really think the SRT8, SS and GT should be compared the way you were doing it? Whether or not you owned a SS or GT is irrelevant because its obvious to see your bias. Yes, the SRT8 was faster then the GT and SS but for the price difference it should be just like the GT500/ZL1 vs the SRT8. I have no problem with you stating that you preferred your SRT8 over the GT/SS. What I do have a problem with is your beat down comments as if the trims are comparable. How about we go over to some Challenger forums and talk about the beat down the RT 5.7 gets from the GT/SS, which are much more comparable from a price point, or how a BOSS is just as fast as a 392 in a straight line but destroys it on a road course for the same money.

[IOMike]

There isn't always a model comparison. Seems the SRT cars are priced at and compete with a Chevy model between the SS and ZL1. Compare it to the SS and it is faster but costs a lot more. Compare it to the ZL1 and it is slower but cheaper.

When the SRT had a 6.1 though, it was comparable to the ls3 Camaro but for a lot more dough.

[ULTRAZLS1]

As for the scat pack it offers great strait line performance value for the dollar. If I was more into them and what they offer it would be tempting. All around performance value I don't see it being any better than a standard SS. All in all it is a good value and a fast car the dodge guys should be proud of. It is currently a strong choice imo.

Now if and when the 16ss comes in at a cheaper starting price as a scat pack with better performance in about every measure, the choice will be a no brainer in my personal opinion.

[NASTY99Z28]

Have you guys checked out the rumored times the 350r is doing at Grattan? If it holds up to be true the vette guys are in serious trouble. Better hope ole pill is wrong this time.

[ender2664]

Does anyone think or know if chevy will release a camaro package to rival the GT350?
I know there is the camaro5 z28, which I would guess will beat the gt350 on the track, but the z28 is far more expensive than the gt350 is suppose to be.
I want to buy the new camaro when it comes out but im pretty worried in a year or less that a flat plane camaro or some other model will come out to counter the mustang.
Thoughts? Information?

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[Bhobbs]

A flat plane crank wouldn't work with a 6.2 liter V8. The 5.2 in the GT500 is the largest production FPC V8.

I honestly don't think GM will release a Camaro specifically targeting the GT350. They probably will release an LT4 powered car that may or may not be faster.

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

Have you guys checked out the rumored times the 350r is doing at Grattan? If it holds up to be true the vette guys are in serious trouble. Better hope ole pill is wrong this time.

I would like to see official times, not rumored. Also would like to see who is driving. If you look at the track times, most are done by magazine drivers, not pros. Plus if you look at the video he has a passenger with no race gear or helmet, so there not even going full bore. So for them to get them times with passenger don't seem accurate to me. Seems impossible.

[CapeCruisin]

Shebly lol

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by ender2664

Does anyone think or know if chevy will release a camaro package to rival the GT350?
I know there is the camaro5 z28, which I would guess will beat the gt350 on the track, but the z28 is far more expensive than the gt350 is suppose to be.
I want to buy the new camaro when it comes out but im pretty worried in a year or less that a flat plane camaro or some other model will come out to counter the mustang.
Thoughts? Information?

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We all know its only a matter of time before a Camaro 1LE or Z/28 or ZL1 (or two or more of those) is released. My guess would be late 2017 model or early 2018 model.

You shouldn't assume the Z/28 will beat the GT350 based on price alone. According to Ford, the Z/28 tested faster than the base GT350, and maybe a hair faster than the GT350TP, but the GT350R (still considerably less in MSRP) was able to best the Z/28 on whatever track they tested them at....by 1 second.

GM is not going to do a FPC V8....I would just forget about that one.

Don't sit around and wait forever to get a car you hope might come out. If you want the new SS, then get it. Otherwise, if you are OK with waiting another year at least to see what hi performance model comes out, by all means, do that.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

Have you guys checked out the rumored times the 350r is doing at Grattan? If it holds up to be true the vette guys are in serious trouble. Better hope ole pill is wrong this time.

Ford already has said the 350TP is edging out the Z51 Vettes, and the GT350R bested the Z/28 by a second. A second is commendable, but definitely not a slaughter.

Long tracks with more straights will favor the 350. Tracks with more curves will see the Z/28 putting up a good fight.

[joemosfet]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

If you want the new SS, then get it. Otherwise, if you are OK with waiting another year at least to see what hi performance model comes out, by all means, do that.

Or do both!

[Arrow signs]

It will be fun to see Randy Pobst put up times in the Gt 350 as well as the SS.
He has a bunch of low track times in a wide array of vehicles.