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camarorange · 07-04-2014, 10:51 PM

Ok so I have spent the last few days installing a new pair of headers on my 2010 SS. After three days of work I finally started the car this evening. After running for a few seconds the car began to lose rpms and began to slow. I did this twice, the second time I checked the spark plug wires to make sure they were well connected. Any suggestions of what I might try next?

axis · 07-04-2014, 11:02 PM

Did you remove the spark plugs for the install? Most issues seem to be cracked spark plugs, if they weren't removed.

camarorange · 07-04-2014, 11:06 PM

No, I did not remove them. Did not realize they were that delicate. Any suggestion on a replacement brand? I see E3 advertised a lot but Ive heard mixed reviews about them.

BubbaSS · 07-04-2014, 11:56 PM

Use stock plugs. No real benefit in changing them given your config.

camarorange · 07-05-2014, 12:16 AM

Alright, thanks for the advice

axis · 07-05-2014, 08:54 AM

Stock plugs for sure unless you're boosted or running nitrous.

E3's are junk.

camarorange · 07-06-2014, 09:17 PM

Ok, so I got the plugs all changed. The rpm's are holding steady but what rpm should I be at? I think its hovering around 6 or 7 hundred. That seems really low. Is that right?

BenningJ · 07-06-2014, 09:23 PM

That rpm actually seems high for a stock tune. Should be around 550-600.

camarorange · 07-06-2014, 09:29 PM

Oh alright. This is my first time doing headers or messing with the exhaust at all so I had no idea what to expect. Thanks though

axis · 07-06-2014, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by camarorange

Oh alright. This is my first time doing headers or messing with the exhaust at all so I had no idea what to expect. Thanks though

If you're not tuned, it may take a little bit for the PCM to adjust to the headers. No worries though. Does the car drive ok now?

camarorange · 07-07-2014, 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by axis

If you're not tuned, it may take a little bit for the PCM to adjust to the headers. No worries though. Does the car drive ok now?

I took it out for a little spin earlier tonight. Got on it a bit and it seems to be working just fine. Rechecked the rpm's and they're sitting right at 600. I was under the impression that I wouldn't need a tune for these. Seems like a waste to pay for a tune now when more upgrades will be coming.

Levi550 · 07-07-2014, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by camarorange

I took it out for a little spin earlier tonight. Got on it a bit and it seems to be working just fine. Rechecked the rpm's and they're sitting right at 600. I was under the impression that I wouldn't need a tune for these. Seems like a waste to pay for a tune now when more upgrades will be coming.

If they are long tube headers, you will need a tune to attain the maximum performance from the headers. You will also need a tune to turn off the CEL which will sooner or later come on. It shouldn't cause any damage to drive around without getting a tune, but if you have a CEL from the O2 sensors and you do nothing, if you throw another code due to some other issue, you will not know it.

BenningJ · 07-07-2014, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by camarorange

I took it out for a little spin earlier tonight. Got on it a bit and it seems to be working just fine. Rechecked the rpm's and they're sitting right at 600. I was under the impression that I wouldn't need a tune for these. Seems like a waste to pay for a tune now when more upgrades will be coming.

You will definitely need a tune. I had a dyno chart from before I added my headers. When I went in to finally get my tune I was quite surprised. I lost about 20rwtq and my AFR was extremely rich. It would stumble on start up like you are probably seeing. Bottom line, get a tune.

camarorange · 07-07-2014, 11:25 AM

I have shorty headers not LT's so does that make a difference regarding needing a tune? Just trying to make sure Im not wasting money by getting a tune that won't do much in the long run. Especially because I may switch too LT's eventually. I only bought the shorties because I got a great deal on a pair of used ones from my friend.

07-04-2014, 10:51 PM	#1
camarorange Drives: IOM Camaro 2SS Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Palmyra, PA Posts: 88	Help! Ok so I have spent the last few days installing a new pair of headers on my 2010 SS. After three days of work I finally started the car this evening. After running for a few seconds the car began to lose rpms and began to slow. I did this twice, the second time I checked the spark plug wires to make sure they were well connected. Any suggestions of what I might try next?

07-04-2014, 11:02 PM	#2
axis Search Ninja Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Ark Posts: 7,183	Did you remove the spark plugs for the install? Most issues seem to be cracked spark plugs, if they weren't removed. __________________ 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Halltech CF 102 fed GPI modded intake manifold Bo (knows) White ported TB Kooks LT's/ Dynomax VT Pfadted (springs/sways) Dyno tuned by Rhino and GPI I once parallel parked a train.

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07-05-2014, 08:54 AM	#6
axis Search Ninja Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Central Ark Posts: 7,183	Stock plugs for sure unless you're boosted or running nitrous. E3's are junk. __________________ 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6 Halltech CF 102 fed GPI modded intake manifold Bo (knows) White ported TB Kooks LT's/ Dynomax VT Pfadted (springs/sways) Dyno tuned by Rhino and GPI I once parallel parked a train.

07-06-2014, 09:23 PM	#8
BenningJ Drives: 2013 AGM 1SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Cedar Falls, Iowa Posts: 1,581 View My Garage	That rpm actually seems high for a stock tune. Should be around 550-600. __________________ 2013 Camaro 1SS/RS - Ashen Gray Metallic \| LS3 \| CAI Inductions, Inc Intake \| Vmax Ported Throttle Body \| Dynatech 1.875" Long Tube Headers \| Apex Scoop & Washer Bottle Relocation \| Lethal Racing Night Fury Cam \| BTR 7.400" Push Rods \|LS2 Dampener \| Melling 10296 Oil Pump \| IWIS Chain \| BTR .660" Dual Valve Springs \| BTR Trunion Upgrade Kit \| Lethal Racing Tuned \| Anvil Notch Spoiler \| BMR Split Drop Springs \| Eaton TrueTrac \| GM 3.91 Gears \| LPW Diff Cover \| Rohana RF2 275/40 20x10F 315/35 20x11R \| BMR Polyurethane Motor Mounts

07-04-2014, 11:06 PM	#3
camarorange Drives: IOM Camaro 2SS Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Palmyra, PA Posts: 88	No, I did not remove them. Did not realize they were that delicate. Any suggestion on a replacement brand? I see E3 advertised a lot but Ive heard mixed reviews about them.

07-05-2014, 12:16 AM	#5
camarorange Drives: IOM Camaro 2SS Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Palmyra, PA Posts: 88	Alright, thanks for the advice

07-06-2014, 09:17 PM	#7
camarorange Drives: IOM Camaro 2SS Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Palmyra, PA Posts: 88	Ok, so I got the plugs all changed. The rpm's are holding steady but what rpm should I be at? I think its hovering around 6 or 7 hundred. That seems really low. Is that right?

07-06-2014, 09:29 PM	#9
camarorange Drives: IOM Camaro 2SS Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Palmyra, PA Posts: 88	Oh alright. This is my first time doing headers or messing with the exhaust at all so I had no idea what to expect. Thanks though

07-07-2014, 11:25 AM	#14
camarorange Drives: IOM Camaro 2SS Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Palmyra, PA Posts: 88	I have shorty headers not LT's so does that make a difference regarding needing a tune? Just trying to make sure Im not wasting money by getting a tune that won't do much in the long run. Especially because I may switch too LT's eventually. I only bought the shorties because I got a great deal on a pair of used ones from my friend.