Thoughts on the deleted 'order info. and consensus"......

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

To fbodfather on Corvette Forum there was 1 or 2 users on the site that put out the same info on order status and Gm did not stop It. and as for CGM 10 weeks late, 4+6 weeks. why
not hold up a anther color so you do not have to hold the #2 color up.

Results are in on your Camaro color votes.
Posted by admin on Jan 21st, 2009

Last week we announced that GM was seeking your input as to your most & least favorite current Camaro colors. The Camaro5 community certainly turned out in force to make your voices heard! 646 members participated and provided a ranking of their color preferences. The GM marketing manager has received the data and thanks the entire Camaro5 community for the feedback, as do we!

The following is a breakdown of the respondents’ average rating of each color (scale from 10 to 1):

Black — 7.06
Cyber Gray Metallic — 7.01
Imperial Blue Metallic — 5.90
Silver Ice Metallic — 5.86
Victory Red — 5.82
Inferno Orange Metallic — 5.44
Red Jewel Tinticoat — 5.25
Aqua Blue Metallic — 4.29
Rally Yellow — 4.28
Summit White — 4.24

This is order status of 2005 C6 Z06 Discussion


Order# Forum ID Type TPW Color Date Status
JCXRFQ AeroJim Coupe 5/16 Red 30-May Delivered To Customer
JCWR58 babymaker Coupe 5/16 Red 30-May Delivered To Customer
JCMB6R benspruce Conv. 5/9 Red 30-May 4150
HXTGFM kimspitz Coupe 5/9 Silver 30-May 4150
HZBZP9 chudson1984 Coupe 5/16 Red 30-May 4150
HZPBRC JUSAYHI Conv. 5/23 DSOM 30-May 4150
HXJR86 msm859 Conv. 5/30 Black 30-May 3400 M
JCZKDV dwarga Conv. 5/30 Lemans Blue 30-May 3400
JDDW9H murphman72 Coupe 5/30 Red 30-May 3400
JCSKFK heisnuts Coupe 6/6 Red 30-May 3400
HZRGWK callenga Coupe 6/6 Lemans Blue 30-May 3400
JCSNZF Ray1951 Conv. 6/6 White 30-May 3400
JFNXF0 MD2005 Coupe Red 30-May 2000 M
HWZPPS DaMayor Coupe Mag Red 30-May 1100
JCDP3X wewing Coupe Red 30-May 1100 M
HZZFX9 Coupe Silver 30-May 1100
JCRZSK mpuzach Coupe Lemans Blue 30-May 1100
JCDPH0 sk05vette Coupe Silver 30-May 1100
JCNX7Q montivette Coupe DSOM 30-May 1100
HZRGZ0 niceguy753 Coupe DSOM 30-May 1100
JDHQDK 81vette Conv. Black 30-May 1100
JDVKWG COvert Conv. White 30-May 1100
JCDN75 stinky Coupe Lemans Blue 30-May 1100

[undeadswamp]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS

To fbodfather on Corvette Forum there was 1 or 2 users on the site that put out the same info on order status and Gm did not stop It. and as for CGM 10 weeks late, 4+6 weeks. why
not hold up a anther color so you do not have to hold the #2 color up.

Results are in on your Camaro color votes.
Posted by admin on Jan 21st, 2009

Last week we announced that GM was seeking your input as to your most & least favorite current Camaro colors. The Camaro5 community certainly turned out in force to make your voices heard! 646 members participated and provided a ranking of their color preferences. The GM marketing manager has received the data and thanks the entire Camaro5 community for the feedback, as do we!

The following is a breakdown of the respondents’ average rating of each color (scale from 10 to 1):

Black — 7.06
Cyber Gray Metallic — 7.01
Imperial Blue Metallic — 5.90
Silver Ice Metallic — 5.86
Victory Red — 5.82
Inferno Orange Metallic — 5.44
Red Jewel Tinticoat — 5.25
Aqua Blue Metallic — 4.29
Rally Yellow — 4.28
Summit White — 4.24

This is order status of 2005 C6 Z06 Discussion


Order# Forum ID Type TPW Color Date Status
JCXRFQ AeroJim Coupe 5/16 Red 30-May Delivered To Customer
JCWR58 babymaker Coupe 5/16 Red 30-May Delivered To Customer
JCMB6R benspruce Conv. 5/9 Red 30-May 4150
HXTGFM kimspitz Coupe 5/9 Silver 30-May 4150
HZBZP9 chudson1984 Coupe 5/16 Red 30-May 4150
HZPBRC JUSAYHI Conv. 5/23 DSOM 30-May 4150
HXJR86 msm859 Conv. 5/30 Black 30-May 3400 M
JCZKDV dwarga Conv. 5/30 Lemans Blue 30-May 3400
JDDW9H murphman72 Coupe 5/30 Red 30-May 3400
JCSKFK heisnuts Coupe 6/6 Red 30-May 3400
HZRGWK callenga Coupe 6/6 Lemans Blue 30-May 3400
JCSNZF Ray1951 Conv. 6/6 White 30-May 3400
JFNXF0 MD2005 Coupe Red 30-May 2000 M
HWZPPS DaMayor Coupe Mag Red 30-May 1100
JCDP3X wewing Coupe Red 30-May 1100 M
HZZFX9 Coupe Silver 30-May 1100
JCRZSK mpuzach Coupe Lemans Blue 30-May 1100
JCDPH0 sk05vette Coupe Silver 30-May 1100
JCNX7Q montivette Coupe DSOM 30-May 1100
HZRGZ0 niceguy753 Coupe DSOM 30-May 1100
JDHQDK 81vette Conv. Black 30-May 1100
JDVKWG COvert Conv. White 30-May 1100
JCDN75 stinky Coupe Lemans Blue 30-May 1100

It's not as though GM was in an office, "Hmmm we have to hold one color which one should it be?"

"Oh I know!!! Cyber Gray! Lots of people like it so we should keep it from them!"

No, they had no choice over which color they had to delay and it was CGM because of the grey for the Impala. The Impala is produced on the same line as the Camaro will be and the shut down on the Impala line delayed the production of the grey Impalas, delaying the CGM Camaros. After they switch to CGM both Camaro and Impala will be using that color.

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

I now that. But start the CGM at start of production of the camaro line and paint only the Impalas that are sold in the Grey now, its not like Gm has 10000 pre sold Impalas in Grey.

"Oh I know!!! Cyber Gray! Lots of people like it so we should keep it from them!"
no its not people like it its a lot of people ordered it...

and back to order status ?

[jesserayjames]

Well awhile back I had ordered a new Challenger SRT8 and waited 5 months for it, but when it arrived the dealer raised the price over MSRP. What I'am getting at is a challenger forum I was on had an unofficial web site that updated orders every day
and Chrysler didn't remove or close it down. GM should be glad we are interested our orders, we are what keeps them going and not interfere with information on a private forum .

[jesserayjames]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

Scott, firstly sorry in advance if this comes across as unsympathetic, but dealers are a real PITA and once they have your money it's like pulling teeth to get any info. Out of 4 in my area, only one has been even remotely helpful. The others are just simply worthless quite frankly, and sadly are turning customers away from GM with their lack of information, misinformation, and shady practices (i.e. over MSRP pricing). I thank God for the internet so that I can do my own research and know what the deal is before I step foot into a dealer's showroom. I have learned dealers are independent franchises, but GM should really re-evaluate how they sell their vehicles in this day and age. I'm not saying any other car manufacturer's dealers are any better, but you work for GM so I'm focusing on them in this discussion. Buying a car should be a fun and exciting experience. Unfortunately all too often that's not the case, with the buying experience turning into an exercise in futility, frustration, and aggravation.

Having said that.....

I work in IT, so maybe I'm over simplifying things since I don't know what type of back end order system GM uses but....

Folks here are ordering a 2010 car sight unseen and paying a premium at this point to own one of these vehicles, albeit a very nice one. Surely GM could have something setup to follow online the status of the vehicle. The order number and order status are tied together in some fashion at GM. Having a web front end with a simple "type in your order number" and it spits out the order status with a list of order status definitions shouldn't be THAT difficult to implement. The data could easily be scrubbed for any personal info outside of the order number to avoid any issues with personally identifiable information.

This would do three things....it would keep a customer who has had enough faith in GM to drop $30K+ on a car they've most likely never seen in person in the loop on their order, as well as give them a sense of being a part of the program as a whole further boosting that sense of loyalty and camaraderie with GM. It would keep the customer from having to deal with less than helpful dealership staff. It would keep anyone at GM from having to answer a phone all day long to answer ordering questions.

Again, maybe you guys don't have internal IT folks who can make this happen, or maybe security is too much of a concern, but it sure makes sense from a customer perspective.

Just my 2 cents.

I wholly agree with what you just said.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by undeadswamp

It's not as though GM was in an office, "Hmmm we have to hold one color which one should it be?"

"Oh I know!!! Cyber Gray! Lots of people like it so we should keep it from them!"

No, they had no choice over which color they had to delay and it was CGM because of the grey for the Impala. The Impala is produced on the same line as the Camaro will be and the shut down on the Impala line delayed the production of the grey Impalas, delaying the CGM Camaros. After they switch to CGM both Camaro and Impala will be using that color.

Why not just switch the colors and give the people who ordered the older grey a nice surprise.. I'm sure they woudn't mind getting the cyber grey from the ZR1 on their Impala...

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Its not like Gm has 10000 pre sold Impalas in Grey

[StoutFiles]

wellllllllllllllllllllllllll...............I suppose I COULD tell ya.....

........but then you'd get a visit from 'my buddy' as shown below.......

Please do not joke around about ABL. Either continue your stance of silence or tell us what's up with it, but don't rub it in. We've been requesting this information for months now.

I don't know why, but just from reading this post I have a gut feeling that ABL is working and they really want to surprise us.

"Surprise! You got what you paid for!" If they got it working they would just say so as only the enthusiasts on the forums know about the ABL problems right now. If they withheld information for that reason a lot of people would be annoyed. HUD would be a good surprise...but something I paid for is expected.

[undeadswamp]

Why can't GM switch the colors right now? I don't know. They have their reasons, be they legally binding contracts or whatever. I am certain in these times GM does not take lightly delaying the second most popular color in a car this highly anticipated. They simply can't afford to do something that stupid, and from what I've seen on this site, the people making decisions at GM aren't that stupid.

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Originally Posted by undeadswamp

Why can't GM switch the colors right now? I don't know. They have their reasons, be they legally binding contracts or whatever. I am certain in these times GM does not take lightly delaying the second most popular color in a car this highly anticipated. They simply can't afford to do something that stupid, and from what I've seen on this site, the people making decisions at GM aren't that stupid.

The people making decisions at GM are that stupid
How moch $ did gm loss last year or 2
$24,000,000,000,.00 a year or so
The people making decisions at GM are not as bad as the people that loaned GM money.

P.S. US government

[undeadswamp]

Originally Posted by 2SSRS

The people making decisions at GM are that stupid
How moch $ did gm loss last year or 2
$24,000,000,000,.00 a year or so
The people making decisions at GM are not as bad as the people that loaned GM money.

P.S. US government

*sigh* I find, sometimes, conveying meaning online much more difficult over the internet than in person, but I will try. Look at how GM has handled this car so far. It has been handled in such a different and better way from any other car release I have ever seen. To think that now, so close to the release, that GM would revert to a "screw the customer, lets loose money" tactic is absurd beyond imagining.

There must be a very good reason for delaying CGM. I can only imagine that it is some legally binding contracts dealing with Impalas of the current shade of gray and replacing them now would leave them open to lawsuit at a time where that would damage GM irreparably.

[OUR72GTO]

Ya ...take a MIDOL ...it's only paint.

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

Originally Posted by undeadswamp

*sigh* I find, sometimes, conveying meaning online much more difficult over the internet than in person, but I will try. Look at how GM has handled this car so far. It has been handled in such a different and better way from any other car release I have ever seen. To think that now, so close to the release, that GM would revert to a "screw the customer, lets loose money" tactic is absurd beyond imagining.

There must be a very good reason for delaying CGM. I can only imagine that it is some legally binding contracts dealing with Impalas of the current shade of gray and replacing them now would leave them open to lawsuit at a time where that would damage GM irreparably.

Patience i had a lot of Patience, lets start 1 month delay OK....

Originally Posted by UCF w00t

Give us the low down on ABL and all will be forgiven

From fbodfather

wellllllllllllllllllllllllll...............I suppose I COULD tell ya.....



........but then you'd get a visit from 'my buddy' as shown below.......

Patience on this is not OK..........

and no HUD like this is OK......

6 week Delay on Cyber Gray Metallic Delayed Until end of April
Patience on this is not OK this is BS....

same old same old from GM
did the same on 1979 TA no car till i went to Hollywood, FL. to buy

binding contractslike the 11,000 camaro contracts gm has........?

Its not like Gm has 11000 pre sold Impalas

I always Buy GM but don't you get it this is not OK...

[UCF w00t]

I don't know how many Impalas they have sold but those orders could already accepted to production control. And what do you want them to do, put CGM in now, build a few camaros and swap the other color back to finish off the Imapalas? You can't really do that. And build schedule has never been binding so delaying it in no way violates any sort of contract.