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D1BADZ · 01-22-2010, 04:26 PM

So after installing my rear balance bar I noticed how dinky the The End link truly are! maybe a 1/4 " diameter but not sure.

That got me thinking of the sways actually do anything or are the links so weak there is no difference?

Also has anyone seen any company selling new end links?

Thoughts or explantions are appreciated and welcome.

Thanks

55Designs · 01-22-2010, 04:36 PM

Factory links SUCK

I used BWoody Links the results were just amazing. Got get a set.

PfadtRacing · 01-22-2010, 04:44 PM

Hello D1BADZ,

Well, to your first comment, I believe there is some truth to them being weak and dinky, but maybe not as much as you perceive.

The diameter of the link is really dependent on the directions in which it will be stressed. Because of the ball joint ends, and the geometry of the suspension, the majority of loading will take place along the axis of the endlink, and therefore is only required to be strong (ish) in tension and compression.

To the second comment, your sways are certainly doing their job. Weak endlinks or not.

With that said, high impact events like bumping a wheel at an accelerated rate over a rock or something, can cause things to go awry from the original design intent. We supply heavy duty endlinks with our race anti roll bar package, due to the increased load transfer rate that it is responsible for. So, for normal driving, I wouldn't necessarily be concerned with the OEM endlinks being a shortcoming. But if you live in an area with harsh road conditions, then you may just keep an eye on it, to see if the ball joints start wearing prematurely.

Dynabyte · 01-22-2010, 10:28 PM

I just installed Eibach sways and springs a couple of weeks ago, and saw the "skimpy" end-links that our Camaros have. These Spohn Performance end-links arrived this week and will be installed shortly. They have Chromoly parts, and even though they may not be absolutely required I wanted to have nice stuff hooked up to nice stuff

orange10s.c. · 01-22-2010, 10:34 PM

Man those are sweet !!!

d69chris · 01-22-2010, 10:46 PM

Nice Dynabyte, what do those run per set or all four??

Are the short set ball joint ends? The long ones look like they are.

Dynabyte · 01-22-2010, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by d69chris

Nice Dynabyte, what do those run per set or all four??

Are the short set ball joint ends? The long ones look like they are.

Yes, both sets have ball joints - they're teflon lined and there's lots of info and a couple of videos on their website. I'm really impressed with them. All four links were just shy of $200 shipped.

FFPM73 · 01-23-2010, 12:17 AM

I also just installed the Eibach springs/sway bars kit. I was wanting to buy some aftermarket end links. How much for the set of 4 with shipping to Kentucky?

D1BADZ · 01-23-2010, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PfadtRacing

Hello D1BADZ,

Well, to your first comment, I believe there is some truth to them being weak and dinky, but maybe not as much as you perceive.

The diameter of the link is really dependent on the directions in which it will be stressed. Because of the ball joint ends, and the geometry of the suspension, the majority of loading will take place along the axis of the endlink, and therefore is only required to be strong (ish) in tension and compression.

To the second comment, your sways are certainly doing their job. Weak endlinks or not.

With that said, high impact events like bumping a wheel at an accelerated rate over a rock or something, can cause things to go awry from the original design intent. We supply heavy duty endlinks with our race anti roll bar package, due to the increased load transfer rate that it is responsible for. So, for normal driving, I wouldn't necessarily be concerned with the OEM endlinks being a shortcoming. But if you live in an area with harsh road conditions, then you may just keep an eye on it, to see if the ball joints start wearing prematurely.

Thanks for the peice of mind, and Ill keep an eye out on the ball joints for sure

PfadtRacing · 01-23-2010, 10:31 AM

No worries, I didn't want to come off saying it isn't a good idea. Because it is. But the situation may not be as critical others areas of the car, that's all.

PQ · 01-24-2010, 12:01 AM

I too was under my car yesterday and wondered about the links being so thin. Thanks, PfadtRacing, for the education on this. I'm ordering sways and springs in the next few days. Just tryin to get as much info and feedback as possible first.

Not sure of the sways reducing that much body roll. But that's another topic.

PfadtRacing · 01-24-2010, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PQ

I too was under my car yesterday and wondered about the links being so thin. Thanks, PfadtRacing, for the education on this. I'm ordering sways and springs in the next few days. Just tryin to get as much info and feedback as possible first.

Not sure of the sways reducing that much body roll. But that's another topic.

Anytime. Its a good approach you have to research as much as you can and decide which options are best for you. If you have any questions at all about our products, please do not hesitate to contact us! We are here to help. Thanks!

PQ · 01-24-2010, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PfadtRacing

Anytime. Its a good approach you have to research as much as you can and decide which options are best for you. If you have any questions at all about our products, please do not hesitate to contact us! We are here to help. Thanks!

Ya, I think I've dicided against Eibach. Not for anything bad or quality related but I want mine lowered a tad more. Closer to an inch and a quarter. Seems to me that they are all gonna be about the same as far as performance and me being able to tell how well they work.

D1BADZ, whitch ones did you install?

D1BADZ · 01-24-2010, 04:10 PM

I did pfadt springs with just there balance bar for now. In the driveway in about 3 hours with hand tools some air tools a jack and some jack stands.

Been a solid week and ride is awesome. 1 1/4 is perfect IMO. I had a couple local owners check it out yesterday and they agreed. Its amazing how much lowering these cars really sets it off.

I was worried about losing the amazing comfort but none lost. The only time I feel a diff is hard bumps like sewage drains that are stepped down about 1" or so.

01-22-2010, 04:26 PM	#1
D1BADZ hmmmmm Drives: 2010 IOM in-n-out 2SS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Jose, Ca Posts: 1,325 View My Garage	Sway bar End links to weak and dinky? So after installing my rear balance bar I noticed how dinky the The End link truly are! maybe a 1/4 " diameter but not sure. That got me thinking of the sways actually do anything or are the links so weak there is no difference? Also has anyone seen any company selling new end links? Thoughts or explantions are appreciated and welcome. Thanks __________________ "Responsibility is a Heavy Responsibilty" (Cheech)

01-22-2010, 04:44 PM	#3
PfadtRacing Drives: 2010 Camaro, 2006 Z06 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 3,370	Hello D1BADZ, Well, to your first comment, I believe there is some truth to them being weak and dinky, but maybe not as much as you perceive. The diameter of the link is really dependent on the directions in which it will be stressed. Because of the ball joint ends, and the geometry of the suspension, the majority of loading will take place along the axis of the endlink, and therefore is only required to be strong (ish) in tension and compression. To the second comment, your sways are certainly doing their job. Weak endlinks or not. With that said, high impact events like bumping a wheel at an accelerated rate over a rock or something, can cause things to go awry from the original design intent. We supply heavy duty endlinks with our race anti roll bar package, due to the increased load transfer rate that it is responsible for. So, for normal driving, I wouldn't necessarily be concerned with the OEM endlinks being a shortcoming. But if you live in an area with harsh road conditions, then you may just keep an eye on it, to see if the ball joints start wearing prematurely. Last edited by PfadtRacing; 01-22-2010 at 05:00 PM.

01-22-2010, 10:28 PM	#4
Dynabyte Drives: 2014 2SS/RS/NPP Red Hot Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Concord, CA Posts: 264	I just installed Eibach sways and springs a couple of weeks ago, and saw the "skimpy" end-links that our Camaros have. These Spohn Performance end-links arrived this week and will be installed shortly. They have Chromoly parts, and even though they may not be absolutely required I wanted to have nice stuff hooked up to nice stuff __________________

01-22-2010, 10:46 PM	#6
d69chris Florida C5 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Vortech L99 IOM Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Tequesta, FL Posts: 2,610 View My Garage	Nice Dynabyte, what do those run per set or all four?? Are the short set ball joint ends? The long ones look like they are. __________________ Ordered 11/08/08....Del. 08/05/2009 Loving every minute of it! Don't hate me because i'm Pretty....

01-23-2010, 12:17 AM	#8
FFPM73 Firefighter/Paramedic Drives: RJT 2SS/RS M6 LS-3 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Burlington, KY 41005 Posts: 423	I also just installed the Eibach springs/sway bars kit. I was wanting to buy some aftermarket end links. How much for the set of 4 with shipping to Kentucky? __________________ *FFPM73*

01-22-2010, 04:36 PM	#2
55Designs Drives: 2010 Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Westchester NY Posts: 990	Factory links SUCK I used BWoody Links the results were just amazing. Got get a set.

01-22-2010, 10:34 PM	#5
orange10s.c. Drives: IOM 2SS RS M6 sunroof Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: panama city fl Posts: 5,117 View My Garage	Man those are sweet !!!

01-23-2010, 10:31 AM	#10
PfadtRacing Drives: 2010 Camaro, 2006 Z06 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SLC, UT Posts: 3,370	No worries, I didn't want to come off saying it isn't a good idea. Because it is. But the situation may not be as critical others areas of the car, that's all.

01-24-2010, 12:01 AM	#11
PQ Booooosted. Drives: 2010 Supercharged SS Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 36,716 View My Garage	I too was under my car yesterday and wondered about the links being so thin. Thanks, PfadtRacing, for the education on this. I'm ordering sways and springs in the next few days. Just tryin to get as much info and feedback as possible first. Not sure of the sways reducing that much body roll. But that's another topic. __________________

01-24-2010, 04:10 PM	#14
D1BADZ hmmmmm Drives: 2010 IOM in-n-out 2SS Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: San Jose, Ca Posts: 1,325 View My Garage	I did pfadt springs with just there balance bar for now. In the driveway in about 3 hours with hand tools some air tools a jack and some jack stands. Been a solid week and ride is awesome. 1 1/4 is perfect IMO. I had a couple local owners check it out yesterday and they agreed. Its amazing how much lowering these cars really sets it off. I was worried about losing the amazing comfort but none lost. The only time I feel a diff is hard bumps like sewage drains that are stepped down about 1" or so. __________________ "Responsibility is a Heavy Responsibilty" (Cheech)