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PhatStackSS · 08-04-2017, 11:18 PM

My father is a mechanic and will install everything for me BUT I have a question about the lifters.

I plan on getting new lifters but I do not know which lifters I can use or I need. I have a Lethal Racing Night Fury Cam.
Any help, helps me out alot. I also am buying a trunnion upgrade, C5R timing chain, and 3 bolt camshaft kit. Thank you for all the help!

go_go_gadget88 · 08-04-2017, 11:45 PM

Any particular reason you are changing the lifters in it? AFM/DOD delete? Crazy cam specs?

Just curious what is wrong with the ones in it

0331Marine · 08-04-2017, 11:50 PM

I put a new set of factory lifters in when I did my heads and cam.

PhatStackSS · 08-05-2017, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by go_go_gadget88

Any particular reason you are changing the lifters in it? AFM/DOD delete? Crazy cam specs?

Just curious what is wrong with the ones in it

Many people have told me I should upgrade the lifters while I'm changing the cam out. I also seen many people say on forums to upgrade lifters if I'm not running stock cam. I have 61k miles on the engine, also I am putting kooks headers in while I'm at it.

07-SRT · 08-05-2017, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by PhatStackSS

Many people have told me I should upgrade the lifters while I'm changing the cam out. I also seen many people say on forums to upgrade lifters if I'm not running stock cam. I have 61k miles on the engine, also I am putting kooks headers in while I'm at it.

If you're going to do the lifters your going to have to pull the heads at that point you might as well get them ported.also don't forget to replace the lifter trays when I did my ported heads at 15K the lifter trays were a little loose holding the lifters compared to the new ones...I went back with the stock ls7/ls3 lifters

jc615 · 08-05-2017, 09:48 AM

As mentioned above, stock lifters will be fine to replace with if you decide to replace them. At 61k I would just for peace of mind.

PhatStackSS · 08-05-2017, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 07-SRT

If you're going to do the lifters your going to have to pull the heads at that point you might as well get them ported.also don't forget to replace the lifter trays when I did my ported heads at 15K the lifter trays were a little loose holding the lifters compared to the new ones...I went back with the stock ls7/ls3 lifters

I'm just wondering what the difference in the lifters are? I've been looking at COMP Cam Lifters since alot of people recommended them to me but is there different sizes? What lifters can I use with my Night Fury cam? Just need recommendations, thank you

Avenging Orange · 08-06-2017, 05:54 AM

I think you are going to keep getting the same advice....if you replace...go stock.

07-SRT · 08-06-2017, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by PhatStackSS

I'm just wondering what the difference in the lifters are? I've been looking at COMP Cam Lifters since alot of people recommended them to me but is there different sizes? What lifters can I use with my Night Fury cam? Just need recommendations, thank you

IMO stick with the stock LS7/LS3 lifter as they have quite a bit of plunger travel that will handle a wider range of preload. The only other lifter I personally would use is Johnson lifters that are used in copo camaro, however you need to be exact on recommended preload.Either
way you will still need to measure for p-rod length.

christianchevell · 08-06-2017, 08:53 AM

And replacing the lifters is a must as they have established wear patterns in the stock stick if they have more than a few miles on them and have most likely some defects from the stock bump stick that may want to transfer into problems for the new one let alone the wear they take. I use BTW driven racing oil BR30 to break in even a cam not just a whole engine..... And dad should know you have 1.7 ratio rockers so setting the preload into the golden .040-.060 area for stock ls3/7 for low noise is about 3/4 turn being that the .047 thread pitch of the bolts threads for the rockers move the rocker .047 x 1.7 for actual movement with whole turn.......

go_go_gadget88 · 08-07-2017, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by christianchevell

And replacing the lifters is a must as they have established wear patterns in the stock stick if they have more than a few miles on them

I thought that wear patterns weren't as relevant with the roller lifters like they were back in the flat tappet days?

I am looking at doing a cam swap, and it seems like a lot of people don't even pull the heads for the change. Many I have read about just change out the pushrods and springs, but leave the lifters. I didn't plan on changing mine. But I also only have like 20k on them

LSX Camaro · 08-07-2017, 05:35 PM

Johnson 2110 Lifters

gmcvt · 08-09-2017, 09:46 AM

Installed a cam around 70K and chose to replace my entire valve train including lifters and lifter retainers. Installed new GM pieces and all has been well.

dino2012ls3 · 08-09-2017, 05:31 PM

First cam lasted almost 20k before original lifter collapse. Second time around another shop swore by LS7 lifters and now 469 rwhp on mustang dyno and almost 60k miles on new set up not a problem or worry yet

08-04-2017, 11:18 PM	#1
PhatStackSS PhaSSt Drives: 2011 Camaro SS Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Fulton, New York Posts: 7	Cam/Lifter Help My father is a mechanic and will install everything for me BUT I have a question about the lifters. I plan on getting new lifters but I do not know which lifters I can use or I need. I have a Lethal Racing Night Fury Cam. Any help, helps me out alot. I also am buying a trunnion upgrade, C5R timing chain, and 3 bolt camshaft kit. Thank you for all the help!

08-06-2017, 05:54 AM	#8
Avenging Orange Drives: 2010 Inferno Orange 2SS/RS Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Clermont, IN Posts: 3,297	I think you are going to keep getting the same advice....if you replace...go stock. __________________ 2010 Inferno Orange 2SS/RS M6 Black Leather, Sun Roof, OBX Headers, Borla touring axle back, Cold Air Inductions CAI , non synthetic fluids, BMR total bushing upgrade/1" lowering springs, DSE 32mm rear sway bar. GM fe4 shocks/struts/LCA's, AAM 3.91 diff, Vertini RFS1.8 20x9 +30. Conti ExtremeContact Sport 275/35/20. sjm autoprod ABL dash kit. Mike Norris tuned 413/419. Avenging Orange: 43 years of not buying into the Hype........and damn proud of it!! https://youtu.be/9JD9it6SmB8 https://youtu.be/xmelTlEzI34 KICKING CANCERS ASS SINCE 2015!!

08-06-2017, 08:53 AM	#10
christianchevell old school chevy rodder Drives: 2013 2SS/RS Manual,DM exhaust,CRT Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,588 View My Garage	And replacing the lifters is a must as they have established wear patterns in the stock stick if they have more than a few miles on them and have most likely some defects from the stock bump stick that may want to transfer into problems for the new one let alone the wear they take. I use BTW driven racing oil BR30 to break in even a cam not just a whole engine..... And dad should know you have 1.7 ratio rockers so setting the preload into the golden .040-.060 area for stock ls3/7 for low noise is about 3/4 turn being that the .047 thread pitch of the bolts threads for the rockers move the rocker .047 x 1.7 for actual movement with whole turn....... __________________ 2021 Wild Cherry ZL1 A10, Sunroof, Data, Carbon, Nav, RotoFab Dry CAI, Elite x2, Borla ATK, Driveshaft shop

08-07-2017, 05:35 PM	#12
LSX Camaro Master ASE, GM, LSX Tech. Drives: 2010 Camaro SS Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 1,034	Johnson 2110 Lifters __________________ 2010 2SSRS A6, Custom Pat G. Cam, WCCH Cylinder Heads, Kooks Headers/Exhaust, BTR Valvetrain, Fluidampr 25% UDP, All Engine ARP bolts, Flex-a-lite radiator/Trans cooler, Yank converter, PFADT Suspension, ADM Race Intake/Scoop, Torq tow hook, CFD auto shifter, Dynojet AFR gauge, Aeroforce scan gauge, Brake Performance rotors/pads Prothane bushings, ZL1 wheels, spoiler, Z/28 wickerbill, 1LE Aero/Suspension Package, Anderson Composites COPO Carbon Fiber Hood, LED lighting, Elite Catch Can, Improved Racing oil pan baffle, crank scraper, windage tray 480 RWHP 452 RWTQ + Nitrous Express 150 Shot

08-09-2017, 09:46 AM	#13
gmcvt Drives: 2019 Camaro 1SS A10 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Tn Posts: 465	Installed a cam around 70K and chose to replace my entire valve train including lifters and lifter retainers. Installed new GM pieces and all has been well. __________________ "Jesus said to them: I am the way, the truth and the life and no one comes to the Father except through me" John 14:6 2020 Mustang GT M6 2019 Camaro 1SS A10 E85/Pray tuned & ported IM/TB.SOLD 2018 Mustang GT A10 Kooks Lt's, E85 & Lund tuneSOLD 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS M6 Silver- CAI, Bo-body, VRSP-2 cam, Kooks 1 7/8 Lt's w/cats, Magnaflow street CB(15089), QTP ovals, Elite can, Vengeance Racing tune. SOLD Last edited by gmcvt; 08-09-2017 at 10:01 AM.

08-04-2017, 11:45 PM	#2
go_go_gadget88 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS ABM 6M Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Kansas Posts: 617	Any particular reason you are changing the lifters in it? AFM/DOD delete? Crazy cam specs? Just curious what is wrong with the ones in it

08-04-2017, 11:50 PM	#3
0331Marine Drives: 2012 SS/RS MN6 Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Covington Ga Posts: 783	I put a new set of factory lifters in when I did my heads and cam.

08-05-2017, 09:48 AM	#6
jc615 Account Suspended Drives: Camaro and Sierra Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Virginia Posts: 795	As mentioned above, stock lifters will be fine to replace with if you decide to replace them. At 61k I would just for peace of mind.

08-09-2017, 05:31 PM	#14
dino2012ls3 Drives: 2012 ls3 Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: humble Posts: 113	First cam lasted almost 20k before original lifter collapse. Second time around another shop swore by LS7 lifters and now 469 rwhp on mustang dyno and almost 60k miles on new set up not a problem or worry yet