Z/28 beaten by the Porsche 911GT3 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

URBAN LEGEND · 11-14-2014, 03:18 PM

http://www.roadandtrack.com/features...ar-of-the-year

http://m.autoblog.com/2014/11/13/roa...ance-car-year/

URBAN LEGEND · 11-14-2014, 03:23 PM

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Driving the Hellcat makes the Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 feel a bit underpowered. Welcome to 2014, where 505 hp doesn't raise any eyebrows. Past tests have told us the Camaro will do the business on the track, but here in the hills, it has few friends. "Feels like I'm driving an SCCA GT1 car out here," Webster gripes, and Smith agrees: "It seems a million miles wide." Yet when I ask it to handle the toughest challenge these roads offer—two off-camber, first-gear near-hairpins connected by a pine-needle-strewn straight—the Z/28 responds with controllable, inch-perfect aplomb. Don't count it out.

crc91 · 11-14-2014, 03:28 PM

I assume the z/28 can handle forced induction. If some one has the coin to afford one and doesn't wanna get beat by a hellcat. Some gold old forced induction can handle that. The Hennessy Z/28 is bad ass too! I'd love to own a hellcat just to see what 700hp feels like but honestly I'd prefer the z/28. There's just something magical about it.

el ess A · 11-14-2014, 03:42 PM

haha. Ok, I'll play the same game that SS owner's play about the ZL1....

At the price you'd pay for a 911GT3, you could take $30K and mod a Z/28 to tear it a new A-hole (already comes close) and still have enough money to blow 500 bucks to party every weekend for a year. And still have money left over. Or buy more tires. (Wow, that even reads stupid.)

It always amazes me how Chevy can ALWAYS either beat the pee out of or at least hang close with the best of their class at twice the price. Value-added bang-for-the-buck is an understatement.

I'm not in line with the need to have a Z/28, so I'm likely never going to be in the market for one, but they are one badazz track star. Every time they talk about track stars now, Z/28 is always included in those discussions.

BaylorCamaro · 11-14-2014, 03:50 PM

Why this should surprise anyways is beyond me. The 911 GT3 is to other 911's what the Z/28 is to other Camaro's. Well the GT3RS but still..

My uncle had a GT3 RS and would always be attending HPD events and that thing can absolutely scream around a track. So to not measure up to the more expensive, race bred Porsche isn't that big of a deal, IMO. Look at all the other cars the Z/28 can keep up with or take down..

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Originally Posted by crc91

I assume the z/28 can handle forced induction. If some one has the coin to afford one and doesn't wanna get beat by a hellcat. Some gold old forced induction can handle that. The Hennessy Z/28 is bad ass too! I'd love to own a hellcat just to see what 700hp feels like but honestly I'd prefer the z/28. There's just something magical about it.

It's been shown time and time again that the LS7 and forced induction don't always go well together. You'd be better off with an LS3, LSA or LS9 and adding the boost.

crc91 · 11-14-2014, 03:58 PM

I agree with you'd be better of with the other choice but I think it's doable.

URBAN LEGEND · 11-14-2014, 04:14 PM

This is the first comparo I've seen the GT3 in. It's almost always missing for this or that reason.

9000 rpm flat 6 does sound amazing though.

soulsea · 11-14-2014, 04:21 PM

The GT3 (when it's not on fire) is a great vehicle, and a beautiful one to boot ... no shame in one publication preferring it to the Z28, especially at double the price once you start adding CC brakes. Plus it's not like every mainstream publication is going to pick the same vehicles as the winner, they will not do that by principle. So when Motortrend picked the Z you almost knew R&T wasn't.

I'd still take a Z06/Z07 over the GT3 ... but that's for next year.

Zfatuated · 11-14-2014, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by el ess A

haha. Ok, I'll play the same game that SS owner's play about the ZL1....

At the price you'd pay for a 911GT3, you could take $30K and mod a Z/28 to tear it a new A-hole (already comes close) and still have enough money to blow 500 bucks to party every weekend for a year. And still have money left over. Or buy more tires. (Wow, that even reads stupid.)

It always amazes me how Chevy can ALWAYS either beat the pee out of or at least hang close with the best of their class at twice the price. Value-added bang-for-the-buck is an understatement.

I'm not in line with the need to have a Z/28, so I'm likely never going to be in the market for one, but they are one badazz track star. Every time they talk about track stars now, Z/28 is always included in those discussions.

Yup

vatechguy3 · 11-14-2014, 06:07 PM

So take a stock z28, remove the ls7, sell it, install an ls9.

Problem solved??

Tony

Bhobbs · 11-14-2014, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BaylorCamaro

Why this should surprise anyways is beyond me. The 911 GT3 is to other 911's what the Z/28 is to other Camaro's. Well the GT3RS but still..

My uncle had a GT3 RS and would always be attending HPD events and that thing can absolutely scream around a track. So to not measure up to the more expensive, race bred Porsche isn't that big of a deal, IMO. Look at all the other cars the Z/28 can keep up with or take down..

Not to mention the Camaro basically started life as a sedan. The Porsche is designed from day one to be a performance animal and the GT3 and GT3 RS further improve on it.

ModBargains.com · 11-14-2014, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BaylorCamaro

Why this should surprise anyways is beyond me. The 911 GT3 is to other 911's what the Z/28 is to other Camaro's. Well the GT3RS but still..

My uncle had a GT3 RS and would always be attending HPD events and that thing can absolutely scream around a track. So to not measure up to the more expensive, race bred Porsche isn't that big of a deal, IMO. Look at all the other cars the Z/28 can keep up with or take down..

It's been shown time and time again that the LS7 and forced induction don't always go well together. You'd be better off with an LS3, LSA or LS9 and adding the boost.

I agree with all of this. Having a GT3 beat a Z/28 isn't surprising. Also agree with you on the F/I for LS7's. I see a lot of F/I LS7's with issues due to high compression but forge the hell out of the internals and usually you can run conservative boost and get good numbers. Plus for a car built not meant to go just in a straight line, 500HP+ Is way more than enough, really no need to get 700HP out of a car meant for an auto cross or a track day, you're just asking for a handful.

Qfastvette · 11-14-2014, 06:40 PM

If the Z/28 was faster it would win. It needs 100 to 150 more hp and it will be untouchable!

soulsea · 11-14-2014, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Qfastvette

If the Z/28 was faster it would win. It needs 100 to 150 more hp and it will be untouchable!

The Z/28 is perfect as it is as the perfect balance of handling, braking, horsepower, and price. Adding hp for its own sake will upset this balance and would compromise the overall performance of the vehicle. HP is the easiest thing to plug into a vehicle, how it puts it to the ground, and more specifically the track, is what ultimately counts in seconds.

In any case, Chevy already makes a track vehicle with a 150+HP than the Z/28 and equally as capable ... it's called the C7 Z06 with Z07 track package. It'll eat the GT3 for lunch and still cost $50K less. So that option is there for anyone who thinks the Z/28 isn't powerful enough for their needs.

11-14-2014, 03:18 PM	#1
URBAN LEGEND Drives: 20 X3M CP & 19 ZL1 1LE A10 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Brenham, TX Posts: 3,517	Z/28 beaten by the Porsche 911GT3 http://www.roadandtrack.com/features...ar-of-the-year http://m.autoblog.com/2014/11/13/roa...ance-car-year/ __________________ 🔺22 RS E TRON GT 🔺21 Model S Plaid

11-14-2014, 03:23 PM	#2
URBAN LEGEND Drives: 20 X3M CP & 19 ZL1 1LE A10 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Brenham, TX Posts: 3,517	Comments- Driving the Hellcat makes the Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 feel a bit underpowered. Welcome to 2014, where 505 hp doesn't raise any eyebrows. Past tests have told us the Camaro will do the business on the track, but here in the hills, it has few friends. "Feels like I'm driving an SCCA GT1 car out here," Webster gripes, and Smith agrees: "It seems a million miles wide." Yet when I ask it to handle the toughest challenge these roads offer—two off-camber, first-gear near-hairpins connected by a pine-needle-strewn straight—the Z/28 responds with controllable, inch-perfect aplomb. Don't count it out. __________________ 🔺22 RS E TRON GT 🔺21 Model S Plaid

11-14-2014, 03:42 PM	#4
el ess A Older Than Dirt Drives: 2010 & 2013 Camaros Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Aiken, SC Posts: 4,563	haha. Ok, I'll play the same game that SS owner's play about the ZL1.... At the price you'd pay for a 911GT3, you could take $30K and mod a Z/28 to tear it a new A-hole (already comes close) and still have enough money to blow 500 bucks to party every weekend for a year. And still have money left over. Or buy more tires. (Wow, that even reads stupid.) It always amazes me how Chevy can ALWAYS either beat the pee out of or at least hang close with the best of their class at twice the price. Value-added bang-for-the-buck is an understatement. I'm not in line with the need to have a Z/28, so I'm likely never going to be in the market for one, but they are one badazz track star. Every time they talk about track stars now, Z/28 is always included in those discussions. __________________ 2010 2SS TE, 1 of 822/2013 Camaro ZL1 vert, 1 of 54

11-14-2014, 04:14 PM	#7
URBAN LEGEND Drives: 20 X3M CP & 19 ZL1 1LE A10 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Brenham, TX Posts: 3,517	This is the first comparo I've seen the GT3 in. It's almost always missing for this or that reason. 9000 rpm flat 6 does sound amazing though. __________________ 🔺22 RS E TRON GT 🔺21 Model S Plaid

11-14-2014, 06:07 PM	#10
vatechguy3 Drives: 2014 ZL1 M6 Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Virginia Posts: 493	So take a stock z28, remove the ls7, sell it, install an ls9. Problem solved?? Tony __________________ 2014 ZL1 M6 Bone stock, for now! 2001 Z28 M6 !cags, !air, FTP 85mm Lid, Z06 85mm MAF, P&P TB !4x4, Strano Springs, Strano Sways, Koni 4/4s, Watts Link ARH LTs, ARH catted Y, SLP catback with Dual/Dual Muffler, SLP CME and Valance OE Wheels Machined Face C5 DDs, 18x10.5s, with 295/35-18s on all 4 corners! 352rwhp and 366rwtq

11-14-2014, 03:28 PM	#3
crc91 Drives: '14 1LS Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Mandeville Posts: 2,166	I assume the z/28 can handle forced induction. If some one has the coin to afford one and doesn't wanna get beat by a hellcat. Some gold old forced induction can handle that. The Hennessy Z/28 is bad ass too! I'd love to own a hellcat just to see what 700hp feels like but honestly I'd prefer the z/28. There's just something magical about it.

11-14-2014, 03:58 PM	#6
crc91 Drives: '14 1LS Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Mandeville Posts: 2,166	I agree with you'd be better of with the other choice but I think it's doable.

11-14-2014, 04:21 PM	#8
soulsea Drives: Fast Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Mt Pleasant SC Posts: 252	The GT3 (when it's not on fire) is a great vehicle, and a beautiful one to boot ... no shame in one publication preferring it to the Z28, especially at double the price once you start adding CC brakes. Plus it's not like every mainstream publication is going to pick the same vehicles as the winner, they will not do that by principle. So when Motortrend picked the Z you almost knew R&T wasn't. I'd still take a Z06/Z07 over the GT3 ... but that's for next year.

11-14-2014, 06:40 PM	#13
Qfastvette Drives: 2014 camaro Z/28 Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Bristow, VA Posts: 169	If the Z/28 was faster it would win. It needs 100 to 150 more hp and it will be untouchable!