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Mrbowtie26 · 07-11-2014, 07:17 PM

So I recently found a leftover new 2012 2ss Camaro with almost every option I would want. The sticker with the dealer installed accessories which include body color ground effects is 42,000 they are asking for 36000 with the leftover advantage discount. This seems a little high for me considering it is basically a 3 year old car at this point. Any idea what a good price would be for the car and/or a fair price for me to offer ? I was thinking of 29k but Im nt sure if Im off base. Any info or help would be appreciated.
Thanks

pincoin · 07-11-2014, 08:25 PM

Ask them what they would give you for a trade in value if you already owned it.

JimE · 07-11-2014, 09:42 PM

It's a grey area. Yes, it's technically a 2-3 year old car and as soon as you take ownership, the value will greatly depreciate. However, it's also still a new car with a full warranty.

Check KBB and NADA for that model and options. It will be worth more than the high end of both references.

How cheap you can get it from the dealer, will depend on how badly they are wanting to get rid of it.

LStick · 07-11-2014, 10:28 PM

Most of the stuff (without seeing the stickers) on the secondary sticker are usually high markup items. Probably the reason they had difficulty milking the price for nearly three years. Without all the glue-on add-ons, it was probably a $36,000 dollar car to begin with.

At this point, dealers are already discounting '14s to move them out for '15s. I would try to nail one of those for cheap money before plunking the cash down on a lot queen thats been sitting for so long

raptor5244 · 07-12-2014, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrbowtie26

So I recently found a leftover new 2012 2ss Camaro with almost every option I would want. The sticker with the dealer installed accessories which include body color ground effects is 42,000 they are asking for 36000 with the leftover advantage discount. This seems a little high for me considering it is basically a 3 year old car at this point. Any idea what a good price would be for the car and/or a fair price for me to offer ? I was thinking of 29k but Im nt sure if Im off base. Any info or help would be appreciated.
Thanks

You are not off base. The birth certificate of the car is worth a lot of money. I would expect to pay 36k for that car back in 2012. I paid 38k for a new loaded 2013 2ss 1le, nav, NPP, sunroof at year end with all the year end incentives. It is a little grey like mentioned because it has not been titled yet and carries the full warranty term but you will have to decide how much that is worth. Also factor in accelerated depreciation next year once the 6th gen releases with LT1 and other goodies. Yeah, I wouldn't pay more than 30k, otherwise I would get something newer. All those dealer installed items don't add much to the value unless you have a specific buyer who wants them.

cadyshac · 07-12-2014, 05:22 PM

Don't pay a penny more than you are comfortable with. There is a reason they still have that car on their lot, either they are unwilling to make a fair deal or the car has some history. I paid less than $32K for a new '13 2SS back in Feb., their $36K price is laughable.
Keep looking, see if you can find a '13 and you will get the mylink system too, good luck!

Bloodeye · 07-13-2014, 04:53 PM

Not trying to hijack this thread - but I've run into something similar with a 13 2SS\RS and would be interested in some opinions on it's price. It has a MSRP of $42000 and the dealer is asking $36,000 for it. It's been sitting on the lot since at least Oct. 2013 maybe even before that. What would be a good offer price? I'm hoping I can get 0% - 72mths financing and some more money off with a credit union discount. Any thoughts?

cadyshac · 07-13-2014, 08:03 PM

That's too high for me.

Don't forget the 15's will be on lots soon, what would they give you in trade for it if you were trading for a '15? Try to get it for as close to that number as you can.

They need to come down at least $2K and then you subtract your incentives from that price.

raptor5244 · 07-14-2014, 01:45 PM

Yeah, used 2013 2ss with low miles would be in the upper 20s. Everyone has their own number that they are comfortable with. I can tell you that I have a used 2013 1le 2ss with nav, NPP and sunroof and 6300 miles. If I were to walk into the dealer and try to trade it for a z28 or new vette I would be lucky to get 31k for it. Msrp was 43k. I know that these cars haven't been titled and have little to no miles on them but they are still 2-3 years old now and they need to be deeply discounted. Otherwise , I would just buy a used low mileage 2012 or 2013, save a few grand and still have a factory warranty. The point is if you pay 36k for that car when you drive away it will be worth 28500.

Mrbowtie26 · 07-14-2014, 11:52 PM

Thanks for the opinions I am still trying to decide what to do. I've been checking out the 2014 1LE 2ss in red rock and it's a pretty sweet combo. Unfortunately it's around 39k. Its tempting but iddon't know if I want to spend that much cash.

el ess A · 07-15-2014, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mrbowtie26

Thanks for the opinions I am still trying to decide what to do. I've been checking out the 2014 1LE 2ss in red rock and it's a pretty sweet combo. Unfortunately it's around 39k. Its tempting but iddon't know if I want to spend that much cash.

Yes...you do...

You know you want it. Spend it. You'll love it. And in 4 or so years, you won't care about the $$

raptor5244 · 07-15-2014, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mrbowtie26

Thanks for the opinions I am still trying to decide what to do. I've been checking out the 2014 1LE 2ss in red rock and it's a pretty sweet combo. Unfortunately it's around 39k. Its tempting but iddon't know if I want to spend that much cash.

I felt the same way so I leased it. I wasn't planning on leasing but when I learned of the high residual and the low negotiated year end sales price the numbers just worked. I leased a 2013 2ss 1le, nav, NPP, and sunroof. 36months, 12k miles per year, 3k down, $366 per month, which includes tax. If I am still in love with the car in year 3 then I can buy it for $27500, but knowing me and how I get bored easily with cars I will probably turn it in for a gen 6 or something else when the time comes.

roorback · 07-18-2014, 08:17 PM

I would skip the 12. I've tried to swing a deal for "lot leftovers" many times and never have come close. Most dealers want way too much considering the age of the cars. Some still ask sticker, which makes it clear why they are still there. 10 years ago you could steal leftovers off the lots on the cheap. Now there are floors to pricing which make it better to look for either a 14 or a low mile used 13.

07-11-2014, 07:17 PM	#1
Mrbowtie26 Drives: 2015 CRT 1SS 1LE Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: West Haven CT Posts: 593 View My Garage	Question on Leftover discount So I recently found a leftover new 2012 2ss Camaro with almost every option I would want. The sticker with the dealer installed accessories which include body color ground effects is 42,000 they are asking for 36000 with the leftover advantage discount. This seems a little high for me considering it is basically a 3 year old car at this point. Any idea what a good price would be for the car and/or a fair price for me to offer ? I was thinking of 29k but Im nt sure if Im off base. Any info or help would be appreciated. Thanks

07-11-2014, 08:25 PM	#2
pincoin Camaro owner since 1982 Drives: 2012 Camaro 2SS-RS Conv IBM L99 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: PA Posts: 1,651	Ask them what they would give you for a trade in value if you already owned it. __________________ 2012 Camaro RS-SS Conv IBM, L99 1968 Camaro RS Coupe 327 AT 1968 Camaro RS-SS Conv, sold 1993

07-11-2014, 09:42 PM	#3
JimE Drives: 2013 2SS/RS/1LE Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: St Louis, MO Posts: 3,087	It's a grey area. Yes, it's technically a 2-3 year old car and as soon as you take ownership, the value will greatly depreciate. However, it's also still a new car with a full warranty. Check KBB and NADA for that model and options. It will be worth more than the high end of both references. How cheap you can get it from the dealer, will depend on how badly they are wanting to get rid of it.

07-11-2014, 10:28 PM	#4
LStick Drives: 2021 Shadow Gray 1LS Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Streetsboro Ohio Posts: 1,371	Most of the stuff (without seeing the stickers) on the secondary sticker are usually high markup items. Probably the reason they had difficulty milking the price for nearly three years. Without all the glue-on add-ons, it was probably a $36,000 dollar car to begin with. At this point, dealers are already discounting '14s to move them out for '15s. I would try to nail one of those for cheap money before plunking the cash down on a lot queen thats been sitting for so long

07-12-2014, 05:22 PM	#6
cadyshac It's in the hole! Drives: '11 2SS L99 SGM, '18 2SS, M6, HWSE Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,377	Don't pay a penny more than you are comfortable with. There is a reason they still have that car on their lot, either they are unwilling to make a fair deal or the car has some history. I paid less than $32K for a new '13 2SS back in Feb., their $36K price is laughable. Keep looking, see if you can find a '13 and you will get the mylink system too, good luck!

07-13-2014, 04:53 PM	#7
Bloodeye Drives: Future SS Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: MI Posts: 11	Not trying to hijack this thread - but I've run into something similar with a 13 2SS\RS and would be interested in some opinions on it's price. It has a MSRP of $42000 and the dealer is asking $36,000 for it. It's been sitting on the lot since at least Oct. 2013 maybe even before that. What would be a good offer price? I'm hoping I can get 0% - 72mths financing and some more money off with a credit union discount. Any thoughts?

07-13-2014, 08:03 PM	#8
cadyshac It's in the hole! Drives: '11 2SS L99 SGM, '18 2SS, M6, HWSE Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,377	That's too high for me. Don't forget the 15's will be on lots soon, what would they give you in trade for it if you were trading for a '15? Try to get it for as close to that number as you can. They need to come down at least $2K and then you subtract your incentives from that price.

07-14-2014, 01:45 PM	#9
raptor5244 Drives: 2022 CT4-V Blackwing Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Florida Posts: 2,723	Yeah, used 2013 2ss with low miles would be in the upper 20s. Everyone has their own number that they are comfortable with. I can tell you that I have a used 2013 1le 2ss with nav, NPP and sunroof and 6300 miles. If I were to walk into the dealer and try to trade it for a z28 or new vette I would be lucky to get 31k for it. Msrp was 43k. I know that these cars haven't been titled and have little to no miles on them but they are still 2-3 years old now and they need to be deeply discounted. Otherwise , I would just buy a used low mileage 2012 or 2013, save a few grand and still have a factory warranty. The point is if you pay 36k for that car when you drive away it will be worth 28500.

07-14-2014, 11:52 PM	#10
Mrbowtie26 Drives: 2015 CRT 1SS 1LE Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: West Haven CT Posts: 593 View My Garage	Thanks for the opinions I am still trying to decide what to do. I've been checking out the 2014 1LE 2ss in red rock and it's a pretty sweet combo. Unfortunately it's around 39k. Its tempting but iddon't know if I want to spend that much cash.

07-18-2014, 08:17 PM	#13
roorback Drives: V8 permagrin Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: here Posts: 613	I would skip the 12. I've tried to swing a deal for "lot leftovers" many times and never have come close. Most dealers want way too much considering the age of the cars. Some still ask sticker, which makes it clear why they are still there. 10 years ago you could steal leftovers off the lots on the cheap. Now there are floors to pricing which make it better to look for either a 14 or a low mile used 13.