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Old 08-16-2014, 03:36 PM   #26
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When you said you did the extra wire cutting/splicing, do you mean the cutting the extra wires off of the CAN bus and splicing the brown wire with the green wire?
As of 8/16/14, I haven't posted that step of the install yet (disabling the Keysense from the ignition so a cut key can be left in there). I was just answering the question asked earlier; it has nothing to do with the CAN bus section. Sorry if it was confusing.

During the week I don't have much free time with my job, and sometimes I'm even more busy on weekends. However I'm already committed and WILL finish this DIY. I'll answer any extra questions about the setup or install as I go.
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Old 08-16-2014, 03:39 PM   #27
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How does remote start work on a manual transmission?
Sorry, I haven't figured this part out yet. Other forum members who installed other remote starts have been able to do so with a clutch bypass method, using some resistor somewhere... but I don't know how they did it exactly. Then there's the question of even if I could, should I, etc, etc, which I'd rather not get into. For this Advanced Keys kit though, if wired up correctly, you'd just hold the remote start button on the fob and the car starts.
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Old 08-18-2014, 10:31 AM   #28
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Sorry, I haven't figured this part out yet. Other forum members who installed other remote starts have been able to do so with a clutch bypass method, using some resistor somewhere... but I don't know how they did it exactly. Then there's the question of even if I could, should I, etc, etc, which I'd rather not get into. For this Advanced Keys kit though, if wired up correctly, you'd just hold the remote start button on the fob and the car starts.
Exactly, imo it's almost not worth it to have a remote start in a manual. You'd have to leave your car parked in neutral at all times for it to work. I don't have enough faith in the parking brake for that.
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Old 08-18-2014, 09:33 PM   #29
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waiting impatiently on the rest of the diy....
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Old 08-19-2014, 11:44 PM   #30
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Old 08-20-2014, 09:43 AM   #31
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I finally heard back from Advanced Keys on some of the minor inconsistencies I've been having (that I mentioned briefly in the first post), and will be adjusting my wiring in the next few days to hopefully resolve them. I was kind of holding off on posting more on the wiring because I didn't want to tell you all something that was incorrect and potentially dangerous to your Camaro (this is how your car starts, after all). If anyone knows for sure that they'll be all in on doing this mod and the only thing they're waiting for is the wiring, I'd recommend you purchase the items now as it takes a few weeks to ship. You're also free to figure it out via the supplied instructions they give you, especially if you have experience with car wiring. Otherwise, I thank you for your continued patience in waiting for the rest of the DIY!
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Old 08-23-2014, 08:34 PM   #32
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I just spent a good 8 hours on my Saturday trying to resolve the inconsistencies with the wiring; ended up right back where I started. Pretty frustrating. I'm still emailing the support staff at Advanced Keys to resolve it...

The short of it is, somehow I got the wiring so that everything "works" from an operational standpoint ... it just doesn't work exactly like it's supposed to. One issue is that I'm supposed to be able to push-button start from any ignition state, but if I turn on the ACC mode (the equivalent of turning your key one click), it won't crank with the button. So even though I've been driving around with this setup, it still bugs me that something with the wiring is not quite right.

I'm sure you guys would rather have a DIY that shows how to wire it up the right way, so when I am able to work it out with support (hopefully sooner rather than later), I'll get the DIY info up. Until then, if you are doing the install and want help on getting it to the working state I have mine in right now, just contact me.
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Old 08-24-2014, 11:50 AM   #33
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Just a side note on, which may not have any impact, but has to do with the remote start, is that if you have the Evo-all installed, you can remote start the vehicle by hitting the lock button three times. I have the Evo-all installed on my DD (not a Camaro ), but it's an automatic. I'm curious to see if there is a procedure listed in the manual of the Evo-all to ensure the safety of a start of a manual car. Also wondering if there is another tech device that needs to be installed for the manual to work with the Evo-all. Needless to say, Subscribed.
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Old 09-05-2014, 03:14 PM   #34
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I can help

Hey Tofudragon.
I created this account specifically to help you guys out.
I install systems professionally and I can help you out with any issues that you are running into 24/7

My number is 619*754*3176
Call or text with any questions what so ever and I'll help you get this and any other electrical project wrapped up!
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Old 09-05-2014, 03:39 PM   #35
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Hey Tofudragon.
I created this account specifically to help you guys out.
I install systems professionally and I can help you out with any issues that you are running into 24/7

My number is 619*754*3176
Call or text with any questions what so ever and I'll help you get this and any other electrical project wrapped up!
Thank you for the generous offer to help! I'll definitely take you up on it. It has been frustrating trying to resolve this through the company support due to the long turnaround time and things have just been dragging... ending up with with unfinished DIY.
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Old 09-05-2014, 03:41 PM   #36
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Thank you for the generous offer to help! I'll definitely take you up on it. It has been frustrating trying to resolve this through the company support due to the long turnaround time and things have just been dragging... ending up with with unfinished DIY.
Yeah I completely understand . They're a low staffed company I don't think they do it as a full time income. I can help you out. Ask away!
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Old 09-05-2014, 05:09 PM   #37
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So excited to see how this comes out!
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Old 09-09-2014, 07:18 AM   #38
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Yeah I completely understand . They're a low staffed company I don't think they do it as a full time income. I can help you out. Ask away!
Hi! Would you mind if I could text you too? I recently bought advanced keys, but because I have a '14 Camaro, I was told an idatalink bypass interface, would be the better choice than the evo.
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Old 09-11-2014, 11:00 AM   #39
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Old 09-12-2014, 11:01 AM   #40
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Cool. Can't wait to see it all finished up.
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Old 09-16-2014, 08:03 AM   #41
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Interested also, just don't like the idea of the cut key needing to be in the ignition.

Here is a possible professional looking solution (Knob Switch Key Cap) found on the Advanced Keys website:

http://www.advancedkeys.com/Prod_AK104S.html

The cap is listed on their accessories tab, 34.95.

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Old 09-16-2014, 05:01 PM   #42
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Finally received a useful response from the company. At this point though, it doesn't look like this current version of the kit will support all the advertised functionality for Camaros 100%. It's on my car which I drive everyday, but there are quirks I have to deal with*. Oh well, I can't go back now. Unfortunately I cannot recommend this kit to anyone here due to the answer they gave below. If anyone needs help on wiring to get it to the working state I have mine in, feel free to ask. Special thanks to VII for offering tips from his expansive background knowledge of wiring similar systems. I'll keep this thread around and just change the title to be a "how to connect a Fortin THAR-GM1v2 harness + EVO ALL bypass"...

"sorry for the delay we have to test your setup on a Camaro to confirm your issue. After analyze your scenario and it seems like there is a blind spot between our system and how GM vehicle Starting system works.

GM ignition system works off 2 wires: ACC and IGNITION unlike all other manufactures that uses 3: ACC, IGNITION and START. Normally vehicle is triggered to crank off START input where as GM vehicle works by sensing IGNITION while ACC drops OFF. When you starting is ACC state our system our system drops off ACC before IGNITION coil energizes and thous creating a race condition and ignition does not recognized by vehicle as a START trigger. We will look into future product update to include a 100ms delay for the ignition to come ON before drops out ACC.

Sorry for this inconvenience,
Advanced Keys"


*So for those interested, the quirks I have to deal with are:
- I can start from any push button state EXCEPT for the ACC on with GREEN led state (even though I should be able to)
- Sometimes the immobilizer light on the dash stays on even after successfully starting and driving away. Usually happens if I drive for awhile, stop and shut off, then start again within a few seconds.
- The stock alarm in the Camaro goes off sometimes because the system doesn't disable it before I open the door.
- I have to hold the unlock button on the fob for 6+ seconds before the trunk pops.

Honestly though, other than those quirks (mainly the first one that they talked about in their response), it's still working and reliable. Maybe when they update their kit or other companies release better kits, I'll update it all again. Sorry for getting everyone's hopes up and for the lengthy delays.
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Old 09-20-2014, 07:46 AM   #43
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Thanks for your work and effort....
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Old 09-25-2014, 09:59 AM   #44
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GM ignition system works off 2 wires: ACC and IGNITION unlike all other manufactures that uses 3: ACC, IGNITION and START. Normally vehicle is triggered to crank off START input where as GM vehicle works by sensing IGNITION while ACC drops OFF. When you starting is ACC state our system our system drops off ACC before IGNITION coil energizes and thous creating a race condition and ignition does not recognized by vehicle as a START trigger. We will look into future product update to include a 100ms delay for the ignition to come ON before drops out ACC.
So what did you connect the "START" of the advanced keys module to?
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Old 09-25-2014, 10:44 AM   #45
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So what did you connect the "START" of the advanced keys module to?
White wire Positive Start from AK Push Button Start module to Purple/Yellow wire Start+ from Fortin EVO-ALL.
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