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Shadowsong · 07-22-2008, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Congoman775

Thats insaine. how can the auto be that much faster? that cant be right.

even the DCT transmission in an M3 is only .1 faster than the manual... and thats the best auto tranny in the world!!!

I dunno about the best.... There are a few out there that are quite competitive I'm sure..

ralniv · 07-22-2008, 02:06 AM

I'm having a hard time wrapping my arms around the SS automatic performance figures. I would expect a car that can run 0-60 in the mid 4s to pull a quarter mile in the high 12s. The data came from the horse's mouth, so I guess I'll have to believe it...

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...d=129496?imw=Y

stovt001 · 07-22-2008, 02:07 AM

GM does their paddles different than everyone else. While other brands have upshift paddles on one side and downshift paddles on another, GM's (Chevy's, actually) both do the same thing, push to upshift, pull to downshift. I'm really not a fan of the setup. It just doesn't feel right, and at least for me the paddles were not placed ergonomically. I wanted the manual, but if the auto is that much faster... well I don't know.

Oh and you should never have to shift in the middle of the turn. That will just throw you off more.

Congoman775 · 07-22-2008, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowsong

I dunno about the best.... There are a few out there that are quite competitive I'm sure..

no thats not an opinion, its the best. ha.

you can look it up if you want... Dual Clutch Transmission

Congoman775 · 07-22-2008, 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stovt001

GM does their paddles different than everyone else. While other brands have upshift paddles on one side and downshift paddles on another, GM's (Chevy's, actually) both do the same thing, push to upshift, pull to downshift. I'm really not a fan of the setup. It just doesn't feel right, and at least for me the paddles were not placed ergonomically. I wanted the manual, but if the auto is that much faster... well I don't know.

Oh and you should never have to shift in the middle of the turn. That will just throw you off more.

i really want to see something official on this matter. optimize the shift pts? whats stopping them from optimizing the shift points on the manual!!!! Plus the manual is the one thats supposed to have Launch control!!!

boxmonkeyracing · 07-22-2008, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Congoman775

i really want to see something official on this matter. optimize the shift pts? whats stopping them from optimizing the shift points on the manual!!!! Plus the manual is the one thats supposed to have Launch control!!!

well optimizing the shift points on a manual is all in the driver. . .so you could say change the driver if you don't like the shift points. lol.

Congoman775 · 07-22-2008, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by boxmonkeyracing

well optimizing the shift points on a manual is all in the driver. . .so you could say change the driver if you don't like the shift points. lol.

thats what i was getting at

Supermans · 07-22-2008, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ralniv

I'm having a hard time wrapping my arms around the SS automatic performance figures. I would expect a car that can run 0-60 in the mid 4s to pull a quarter mile in the high 12s. The data came from the horse's mouth, so I guess I'll have to believe it...

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...d=129496?imw=Y

The horses mouth..lol.. I will have to reconsider and perhaps get an automatic if this is the case.. However a manual is still more fun to drive.. I also don't like paddle shifters either.. But .3 seconds faster is a lot in a 0-60 time. We'll just to wait and see if someone driving a manual can match that.. However if all I have to do is put a lead foot into the pedal and 4.6 from start.. those numbers can at least match up to and beat many of the previous generation Camaro's, Mustangs and matching older base model Corvette's which is not bad at all considering the car is a fat pig as others have put it..

1983 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 0-60 mph: 6.7 seconds
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z 0-60 mph: 6.6 seconds
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 0-60 mph: 5.7 seconds
1998 Chevrolet Camaro SS 0-60 mph: 5.2 seconds
2000 Camaro Z28: 0-60 in 5.5 seconds,
2000 Camaro SS: 0-60 in 5.3 seconds,
2009 Camaro SS 0-60 mph 4.9 seconds (manual)
2009 Camaro SS 0-60 mph 4.6 seconds (automatic)

2003 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra 4.70
2008 GT500 has a 0-60 time of 4.9 seconds
Dodge Challnger SRT8 0-60 4.8 seconds.

1996 Chevrolet Corvette Collectors 0-60 mph: 4.9 seconds
1996 Chevrolet Corvette GS 0-60 mph: 4.7 seconds
1997 Chevrolet Corvette 0-60 mph: 4.7 seconds
2002 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 0-60 mph: 4.1 seconds
2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 0-60 mph: 3.7 seconds

Congoman775 · 07-22-2008, 02:36 AM

i still cant belive the manual only gets 4.9...

Shadowsong · 07-22-2008, 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Congoman775

no thats not an opinion, its the best. ha.

you can look it up if you want... Dual Clutch Transmission

The GT-R has a DCT. The Evo X has a DCT. Last I checked, the GT-R > M3.

Edit: So does the R8

Congoman775 · 07-22-2008, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Shadowsong

The GT-R has a DCT. The Evo X has a DCT. Last I checked, the GT-R > M3.

Edit: So does the R8

There are different types of DCT systems. The M3's V8 does something like 200,000 internal variation scans a second, its the most advanced V8 in the world as far as technology goes.

The GTR is faster, but that has nothing to do w/ the DCT. The M3 has the same system. Bigger engine, hp, aero tech, etc.

and just for the record, id rather have an M3 than a GTR

2KZ28_For_Now · 07-22-2008, 03:27 AM

I wouldn't yet be too concerned about this manual performance speculation.

The C6 Z06 Vette's "official" GM performance spec was 11.7 sec 1/4 @ 125 MPH. A "Top Gun" driver was able to lower this (bone-stock, except with drag slicks at lower PSI) to 10.85 @ 129.5 MPH.

Absorb that difference for a second. That's a proverbial light-year on the 1/4 mile track.

And, the Z06 drivers are punished by computerized "torque management" nannies that cannot be totally overriden.

Our SS Camaro's will have a special "launch control" mode for repetitive, safe launches nearly every time, and asymetric half-shafts, which should all-but eliminate "wheel hop" under hard acceleration.

I would think the manual SS, with a CAI, tune, and slicks could easily achieve around 11.9 @ 110-111 MPH (maybe even better). We will see soon enough.

Supermans · 07-22-2008, 03:47 AM

Scott (Fbodfather),

Please shed some light on the discrepancy of the Auto and Manual V8's 0-60 times...Can you confirm or deny this...

My guess is, Shunt was in the trunk of the Manual V8 SS at the time it was test-driven.. Or Fat Albert test drove the V8 manual while Mini-me test drove the v8 auto..

*GTAHVIT* · 07-22-2008, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by 2sharp

If it doesn't have three pedals, I don't want it!!!!!!!!!

+1

07-22-2008, 02:07 AM	#45
stovt001 Drives: 2006 Cobalt, 2004 Taurus wagon Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 3,812	GM does their paddles different than everyone else. While other brands have upshift paddles on one side and downshift paddles on another, GM's (Chevy's, actually) both do the same thing, push to upshift, pull to downshift. I'm really not a fan of the setup. It just doesn't feel right, and at least for me the paddles were not placed ergonomically. I wanted the manual, but if the auto is that much faster... well I don't know. Oh and you should never have to shift in the middle of the turn. That will just throw you off more. __________________ "It's kind of fun to do the impossible" - Walt Disney There's a great big beautiful tomorrow shining at the end of every day There's a great big beautiful tomorrow Just a dream away

07-22-2008, 03:27 AM	#54
2KZ28_For_Now SS Shotgun Ride?!??! :-) Drives: 2000 Z28 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,549	I wouldn't yet be too concerned about this manual performance speculation. The C6 Z06 Vette's "official" GM performance spec was 11.7 sec 1/4 @ 125 MPH. A "Top Gun" driver was able to lower this (bone-stock, except with drag slicks at lower PSI) to 10.85 @ 129.5 MPH. Absorb that difference for a second. That's a proverbial light-year on the 1/4 mile track. And, the Z06 drivers are punished by computerized "torque management" nannies that cannot be totally overriden. Our SS Camaro's will have a special "launch control" mode for repetitive, safe launches nearly every time, and asymetric half-shafts, which should all-but eliminate "wheel hop" under hard acceleration. I would think the manual SS, with a CAI, tune, and slicks could easily achieve around 11.9 @ 110-111 MPH (maybe even better). We will see soon enough. __________________ LT LS RS SS LS3 LSA-Z28 (Skip the body kit) Last edited by 2KZ28_For_Now; 07-22-2008 at 03:31 AM. Reason: TM instead of TC/AH. oops.

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07-22-2008, 02:06 AM	#44
ralniv Drives: far too much Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Southern CA Posts: 72	I'm having a hard time wrapping my arms around the SS automatic performance figures. I would expect a car that can run 0-60 in the mid 4s to pull a quarter mile in the high 12s. The data came from the horse's mouth, so I guess I'll have to believe it... http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...d=129496?imw=Y

07-22-2008, 02:36 AM	#51
Congoman775 Drives: Muscle Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 1,315	i still cant belive the manual only gets 4.9...

07-22-2008, 03:47 AM	#55
Supermans Camaro & Stang Enthusiast Drives: 2011 Mustang 5.0 in Kona Blue Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 4,752 View My Garage	Scott (Fbodfather), Please shed some light on the discrepancy of the Auto and Manual V8's 0-60 times...Can you confirm or deny this... My guess is, Shunt was in the trunk of the Manual V8 SS at the time it was test-driven.. Or Fat Albert test drove the V8 manual while Mini-me test drove the v8 auto..