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Txturbo · 10-13-2008, 02:01 PM

FYI....Factory MSRP, Window Sticker, MSRP,Factory Invoice, Dealer Invoice.....make absolutely sure both parties know exactly what each means. MSRP and Factory MSRP can be two different things. I've looked up Factory MSRP on the GM website before on a truck and gone to the dealership and looked at the exact same truck and the prices haven't been the same. Some dealers add to the Factory MSRP and make a new window sticker to show the new MSRP. I doubt its legal, but I have seen it. I've also seen doctored window stickers and Invoices. I caught a local Large Chevy dealership here in Houston playing the "I'll show you my invoice" price game. Turned out they weren't showing the actual factory invoice, but a doctored up Dealer Invoice to make you think they were selling it to you at thier cost. Watch out for the double destination charges also. Its included in the Factory MSRP, but some dealers charge you again when they add in the fees on the sales contract.
Just a heads up.

DFWSS · 10-13-2008, 02:04 PM

Good point. I'm asking for my dealer to send me everything in writing this evening.

*The_Blur* · 10-13-2008, 02:11 PM

This is great advice.

Mods should make this a sticky. Ordering can be a nightmare for a customer and a salesperson. The customer should do everything possible to protect his or her interests. That means that they should learn the vocabulary, and get the salesperson to put the appropriate vocabulary in writing.

Mr Twisty · 10-13-2008, 02:40 PM

There's always those 'soundproofing, detailing, etc.' details to watch for. When you go in...Look at their cars, see what the window sticker shows.

Angrybird 12 · 10-13-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Txturbo

FYI....Factory MSRP, Window Sticker, MSRP,Factory Invoice, Dealer Invoice.....make absolutely sure both parties know exactly what each means. MSRP and Factory MSRP can be two different things. I've looked up Factory MSRP on the GM website before on a truck and gone to the dealership and looked at the exact same truck and the prices haven't been the same. Some dealers add to the Factory MSRP and make a new window sticker to show the new MSRP. I doubt its legal, but I have seen it. I've also seen doctored window stickers and Invoices. I caught a local Large Chevy dealership here in Houston playing the "I'll show you my invoice" price game. Turned out they weren't showing the actual factory invoice, but a doctored up Dealer Invoice to make you think they were selling it to you at thier cost. Watch out for the double destination charges also. Its included in the Factory MSRP, but some dealers charge you again when they add in the fees on the sales contract.
Just a heads up.

Making a new sticker is against the law, there can be an add on sticker seperate from the factory, but making a new sticker to make something look like it came from the factory is not legal... My dealer told me that any dealer that does that is violating federal law. the factory sticker is just that, it is provided by the factory by law showing the MSRP, what you are saying cannot be even be called MSRP because it is a DEALER PRICE. MSRP IS THE MANUFACTURER SUGGESTED RETAIL PRICE..

Sometimes there will be price differences between MSRP on the sticker and what you get on line because of price increases or decreased made by the factory. Still these changes should not allow them to change the factory sticker.. but they can show a price change as an add on sticker.

headpunter · 10-13-2008, 02:54 PM

different areas have different msrp's, that why you put in your Zip when you are doing the build your own on the chevy site.

*The_Blur* · 10-13-2008, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by headpunter

different areas have different msrp's, that why you put in your Zip when you are doing the build your own on the chevy site.

Is there a map we can post that shows the most expensive regions of the US? This might help some members decide where to shop.

themossman · 10-13-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Txturbo

FYI....Factory MSRP, Window Sticker, MSRP,Factory Invoice, Dealer Invoice.....make absolutely sure both parties know exactly what each means. MSRP and Factory MSRP can be two different things. I've looked up Factory MSRP on the GM website before on a truck and gone to the dealership and looked at the exact same truck and the prices haven't been the same. Some dealers add to the Factory MSRP and make a new window sticker to show the new MSRP. I doubt its legal, but I have seen it. I've also seen doctored window stickers and Invoices. I caught a local Large Chevy dealership here in Houston playing the "I'll show you my invoice" price game. Turned out they weren't showing the actual factory invoice, but a doctored up Dealer Invoice to make you think they were selling it to you at thier cost. Watch out for the double destination charges also. Its included in the Factory MSRP, but some dealers charge you again when they add in the fees on the sales contract.
Just a heads up.

http://autopedia.com/html/monroneysticker.html

They can add via an addendum...but they CAN NOT adjust the monroney sticker from the factory.

Txturbo · 10-13-2008, 03:02 PM

exactly....not sure all dealers have stopped doing it though. But it doesn't hurt to be aware of it in case some are still trying to get away with it.

CWI · 10-13-2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by headpunter

different areas have different msrp's, that why you put in your Zip when you are doing the build your own on the chevy site.

I'm sure that is true. Although I have entered different zip codes from around the country and still got the same price on the Chevy build.

CWI · 10-13-2008, 03:58 PM

Head, I loved your comment last night. You said 'Buy it in Miami and float it back to Cuba'. That will be a classic.

Mr Twisty · 10-13-2008, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by headpunter

different areas have different msrp's, that why you put in your Zip when you are doing the build your own on the chevy site.

That would be for regional rebates and transportation fees wouldn't it?

GoldFire · 10-13-2008, 04:45 PM

I have a question about the destination charges. It is included in the MSRP, but if I am getting charged invoice, if they add destination onto that is that me being double charged for destination?

Mr_Draco · 10-13-2008, 04:59 PM

It's always been my understanding that Invoice doesn't include destination charge and prep fees.

10-13-2008, 02:01 PM	#1
Txturbo Keeper of the Faith Drives: 2001 Z28 Agressively Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Rosenberg,Texas Posts: 1,383 View My Garage	Be careful when discussing pricing FYI....Factory MSRP, Window Sticker, MSRP,Factory Invoice, Dealer Invoice.....make absolutely sure both parties know exactly what each means. MSRP and Factory MSRP can be two different things. I've looked up Factory MSRP on the GM website before on a truck and gone to the dealership and looked at the exact same truck and the prices haven't been the same. Some dealers add to the Factory MSRP and make a new window sticker to show the new MSRP. I doubt its legal, but I have seen it. I've also seen doctored window stickers and Invoices. I caught a local Large Chevy dealership here in Houston playing the "I'll show you my invoice" price game. Turned out they weren't showing the actual factory invoice, but a doctored up Dealer Invoice to make you think they were selling it to you at thier cost. Watch out for the double destination charges also. Its included in the Factory MSRP, but some dealers charge you again when they add in the fees on the sales contract. Just a heads up. __________________ 2010 Camaro SS R6P 2001 Camaro Z28 1969 Camaro SS clone

10-13-2008, 02:04 PM	#2
DFWSS Weekend Warrior Drives: '10 Camaro 2SS/RS IBM M6 Join Date: May 2008 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 147	Good point. I'm asking for my dealer to send me everything in writing this evening. __________________ 2SS/RS IBM M6, White Stripes, Black Interior, 20" Polished 1100-10/15 2000-5/18 2500-5/19 3000-5/21 3300-6/6 3400-6/15 3800-6/23 4D-6/25 4B-7/31 42-8/3 5000-8/11

10-13-2008, 02:11 PM	#3
The_Blur Moderator Drives: 2018 Harley-Davidson Street Bob Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: San Diego Posts: 14,769	This is great advice. Mods should make this a sticky. Ordering can be a nightmare for a customer and a salesperson. The customer should do everything possible to protect his or her interests. That means that they should learn the vocabulary, and get the salesperson to put the appropriate vocabulary in writing. __________________ RDP Motorsport//GEN5DIY//Cultrag Performance//JPSS//Rodgets Chevrolet// Operation Demon//Buy at Invoice//RACECARWEAR RESPECT ALL CARS. LOVE YOUR OWN. warn 145:159 ban

10-13-2008, 02:40 PM	#4
Mr Twisty Drives: the 2nd amendment home Join Date: May 2008 Location: OK Posts: 14,707	There's always those 'soundproofing, detailing, etc.' details to watch for. When you go in...Look at their cars, see what the window sticker shows. __________________ "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

10-13-2008, 02:54 PM	#6
headpunter Not That sad..considering Drives: Man Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: the part of washington the capital forgot about. Posts: 3,747 View My Garage	different areas have different msrp's, that why you put in your Zip when you are doing the build your own on the chevy site. __________________ Stop Whinging

10-13-2008, 03:02 PM	#9
Txturbo Keeper of the Faith Drives: 2001 Z28 Agressively Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Rosenberg,Texas Posts: 1,383 View My Garage	exactly....not sure all dealers have stopped doing it though. But it doesn't hurt to be aware of it in case some are still trying to get away with it. __________________ 2010 Camaro SS R6P 2001 Camaro Z28 1969 Camaro SS clone

10-13-2008, 03:58 PM	#11
CWI Helping Build America Drives: 2010 2SS/RS,LS3 2013 Duramax 3500HD Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Freeport LPG Export Posts: 3,839 View My Garage	Head, I loved your comment last night. You said 'Buy it in Miami and float it back to Cuba'. That will be a classic. __________________ Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "Holy shit, what a ride!"

10-13-2008, 04:45 PM	#13
GoldFire Newborn Camaro Fanatic Drives: 2010 2LT/RS Camaro Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Norman, OK Posts: 435 View My Garage	I have a question about the destination charges. It is included in the MSRP, but if I am getting charged invoice, if they add destination onto that is that me being double charged for destination? __________________ 2LT/RS [Victory Red] \| GoldFire Studios

10-13-2008, 04:59 PM	#14
Mr_Draco Drives: 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 7,182	It's always been my understanding that Invoice doesn't include destination charge and prep fees.

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