Help me decide... Hurst? NPP? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

simoneves · 07-17-2012, 12:34 PM

I'm circling around ordering a 2013 2SS/RS M6 convertible, but I've only found one '12 SS M6 for test drive in a dealer within 50 miles, and none have any '13 manuals yet.

Is there much of a difference between the regular shifter and the Hurst?

I'm British and have driven sticks all my life, and I've never really been bothered by the length of the lever. The one I drove (which had the Hurst) seemed fine, but I don't care about the name or the retro aspect, and I'd rather it was easy to shift than cool.

As for the dual-mode exhaust, I have to admit I was a little disappointed by the sound (or rather lack thereof) of the '12, but I don't think my neighbours would appreciate me early in the morning if it's that loud at idle, nor do I want to become a cop-magnet should I need to go above 3000rpm in daily driving!

I've seen the various aftermarket exhaust controller mods, but they all seem to be designed to make it louder, not quieter! I kinda wish there was the option to keep the valves closed ALL the time. Maybe that answers my question!

Zeus95 · 07-17-2012, 12:40 PM

I just replaced my stock shifter with the Hurst Short Throw, can't give you exact details. But its a Huge difference IMO, alot shorter throws and you can feel the shifts/gears alot better. I'm sure all these guys will give better explanations, but I like the Hurst alot more then stock.

Twehttam · 07-17-2012, 12:43 PM

Drove a '12 Hurst and regular M6 back-to-back a few weeks ago as comparison before I order a '13. Long story short, I'll be selecting the Hurst option (and NPP).

dkg11 · 07-17-2012, 12:50 PM

I drive the stock one daily and i have driven the hurst as well... wish i had the money for a hurst right now...

garcmol · 07-17-2012, 01:00 PM

If the range of the shift lever doesn't matter, then save yourself some money.

There is a "mild to wild" controller offered in the vendor section which allows you to control the valves on the NPP. I believe it allows you to open them when you want it to.

Edit: yep, here's a link http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220686

ronss · 07-17-2012, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeus95

I just replaced my stock shifter with the Hurst Short Throw, can't give you exact details. But its a Huge difference IMO, alot shorter throws and you can feel the shifts/gears alot better. I'm sure all these guys will give better explanations, but I like the Hurst alot more then stock.

I second that

snaphappy · 07-17-2012, 01:08 PM

Is it tricky to install the Hurst? Or could a novice do it?

simoneves · 07-17-2012, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garcmol

There is a "mild to wild" controller offered in the vendor section which allows you to control the valves on the NPP. I believe it allows you to open them when you want it to.

Yeah, I saw that. It doesn't have an "always quiet" mode, though.

GTUPONIT · 07-17-2012, 01:44 PM

Follow directions and anyone can install the Hurst. It is in fact a night and day difference over stock. Short throw is nice for aggressive driving over standard but the positive engagement into every gear makes the vehicle feel better for daily driving.

Eviscer8r · 07-17-2012, 02:17 PM

I'm at school so no time to look up pricing. I had the stock shifter and replaced it with an aftermarket MGW shifter, at the recommendation of numerous folks on the forums. The MGW shifter was 350 or something when I got it, as it replaces not just the shifter but the cheap assembly that is stock. I'll try and find the old assembly and post pics. It really is crap cheap. Not sure where I was going with this..but if the extra cash isn't an issue then I'd replace the whole assembly as opposed to just the shifter which will remain in the old one

Jim968 · 07-17-2012, 02:18 PM

I ordered my 2013 SS without the short throw shifter. I test drove a Hurst equipped 2012 and didn’t care for it that much. Like all of the other cars I’ve driven with aftermarket short shifter kits it just doesn’t feel “right” to me when I go to execute a smooth heel and toe downshift. I’ve owned many manual shift cars over the years, and never have I felt the need to have super short, notchy engagement. Perhaps I’m just stuck in my ways.

I did order the NPP option, and can’t wait to hear it in person. I’ll probably install a controller so I have the option to leave it open all the time.

heRS · 07-17-2012, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snaphappy

Is it tricky to install the Hurst? Or could a novice do it?

I installed mine. The tricky part (ONLY if you have a V6) is getting the holding springs to release the stock shifter but everything else was basic enough for me to muddle my way through and I LOVE my Hurst short throw shifter.

STW · 07-17-2012, 03:26 PM

Short throw, only way to go. I had long throw originally. Yuk. I didn't use a Hurst, bought an SLP. Nice and tight. Install took an hour. There's a step by step thread on here with details. Google.. helpful. But do sound proofing under the shifter boot, gets a little louder over stock. fyi

AnnaBear@SpartaChevy · 07-17-2012, 04:10 PM

LOVE my Hurst shifter!

07-17-2012, 12:34 PM	#1
simoneves Drives: 2013 2SS/RS vert (soon) Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: San Rafael, CA Posts: 8	Help me decide... Hurst? NPP? I'm circling around ordering a 2013 2SS/RS M6 convertible, but I've only found one '12 SS M6 for test drive in a dealer within 50 miles, and none have any '13 manuals yet. Is there much of a difference between the regular shifter and the Hurst? I'm British and have driven sticks all my life, and I've never really been bothered by the length of the lever. The one I drove (which had the Hurst) seemed fine, but I don't care about the name or the retro aspect, and I'd rather it was easy to shift than cool. As for the dual-mode exhaust, I have to admit I was a little disappointed by the sound (or rather lack thereof) of the '12, but I don't think my neighbours would appreciate me early in the morning if it's that loud at idle, nor do I want to become a cop-magnet should I need to go above 3000rpm in daily driving! I've seen the various aftermarket exhaust controller mods, but they all seem to be designed to make it louder, not quieter! I kinda wish there was the option to keep the valves closed ALL the time. Maybe that answers my question!

07-17-2012, 12:40 PM	#2
Zeus95 Drives: IOM 2010 - 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Oak Forest - ILL Posts: 1,124 View My Garage	I just replaced my stock shifter with the Hurst Short Throw, can't give you exact details. But its a Huge difference IMO, alot shorter throws and you can feel the shifts/gears alot better. I'm sure all these guys will give better explanations, but I like the Hurst alot more then stock. __________________ 2010 2SS/RS IOM Upgrades: Fastlane CAI / SLP II Loudmouth axle back / V Max Ported TB / Kook's Step Long Tube Headers / High flow cats / Straightline Tune / BMR front & rear sway bars / Hotchkin End Links / Hurst Short Throw. LG ZR28 Wheels 1 of 2 sets made. Pfadt trailing arms / Diff Bushings & Sub Frame bushings / 1LE Axle & Hubs.

07-17-2012, 12:50 PM	#4
dkg11 Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Cleveland Ohio Posts: 387 View My Garage	I drive the stock one daily and i have driven the hurst as well... wish i had the money for a hurst right now... __________________ 2010 Camaro 2SS/LS3 Magna Flow Street series Exhaust Airaid Intake+throttle body Custom tune by Bob Morreale www.thetuningschool.com QTP Electronic Exhaust cut-outs 12'' Alpine type R with 1500watts double ported box Tinted windows 392RWHP on Mustang Dyno #13933

07-17-2012, 01:00 PM	#5
garcmol Drives: 10 1LT SIM; 91 B4C sleeper Z Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Ft. Mitchell, Alabama Posts: 7,199	If the range of the shift lever doesn't matter, then save yourself some money. There is a "mild to wild" controller offered in the vendor section which allows you to control the valves on the NPP. I believe it allows you to open them when you want it to. Edit: yep, here's a link http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220686 __________________ Pedders Pace Car Package, Injen CAI, Flowmaster AT, AAC Lighting, ZL1 fascia/skirts, RKSport Ram Air hood, vented fenders, painted stripes (Gary's Customz), Honor and Valor badged (Thank you, John)

07-17-2012, 02:17 PM	#10
Eviscer8r Pirate 2SS Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Carroll County Georgia Posts: 204 View My Garage	I'm at school so no time to look up pricing. I had the stock shifter and replaced it with an aftermarket MGW shifter, at the recommendation of numerous folks on the forums. The MGW shifter was 350 or something when I got it, as it replaces not just the shifter but the cheap assembly that is stock. I'll try and find the old assembly and post pics. It really is crap cheap. Not sure where I was going with this..but if the extra cash isn't an issue then I'd replace the whole assembly as opposed to just the shifter which will remain in the old one __________________ 2011 2SS/RS 6MT

07-17-2012, 12:43 PM	#3
Twehttam Drives: 2013? Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: GPF, MI Posts: 20	Drove a '12 Hurst and regular M6 back-to-back a few weeks ago as comparison before I order a '13. Long story short, I'll be selecting the Hurst option (and NPP).

07-17-2012, 01:08 PM	#7
snaphappy Drives: 2011 Camaro Convertible SS2/RS LS3 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Olive Branch, Ms Posts: 742	Is it tricky to install the Hurst? Or could a novice do it?

07-17-2012, 01:44 PM	#9
GTUPONIT Drives: 2016 Hyper Blue & 2017 SS White Join Date: May 2012 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 245	Follow directions and anyone can install the Hurst. It is in fact a night and day difference over stock. Short throw is nice for aggressive driving over standard but the positive engagement into every gear makes the vehicle feel better for daily driving.

07-17-2012, 02:18 PM	#11
Jim968 Drives: 2018 2SS Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Ohio Posts: 294	I ordered my 2013 SS without the short throw shifter. I test drove a Hurst equipped 2012 and didn’t care for it that much. Like all of the other cars I’ve driven with aftermarket short shifter kits it just doesn’t feel “right” to me when I go to execute a smooth heel and toe downshift. I’ve owned many manual shift cars over the years, and never have I felt the need to have super short, notchy engagement. Perhaps I’m just stuck in my ways. I did order the NPP option, and can’t wait to hear it in person. I’ll probably install a controller so I have the option to leave it open all the time.

07-17-2012, 03:26 PM	#13
STW Drives: 2011 Camaro 1SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Chicago Posts: 422	Short throw, only way to go. I had long throw originally. Yuk. I didn't use a Hurst, bought an SLP. Nice and tight. Install took an hour. There's a step by step thread on here with details. Google.. helpful. But do sound proofing under the shifter boot, gets a little louder over stock. fyi

07-17-2012, 04:10 PM	#14
AnnaBear@SpartaChevy Drives: 2011 Camaro 1SS Manual Synergy Grn Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sparta Chevrolet, Sparta, MI Posts: 2,108	LOVE my Hurst shifter!