Why no ceramic coated headers out there? - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

MajikMD · 07-08-2009, 11:44 PM

Just noticing that everyone is selling stainless headers, which are plenty nice, but what about the benefits of a ceramic coated model? Drastically lower underhood temps...yada yada.

I know I could have them done myself...just wondering why nobody is offering one yet... Anybody found some?

Thanks!

slowerthanu · 07-08-2009, 11:55 PM

Thats funny, Doug Thorley Long and short tube headers are ceramic coated steel.

White Devil · 07-09-2009, 12:24 AM

Read a long time ago on ls1tech a lot of guys having problems with coatings flaking and not lasting on daily drivers. Coatings are usually on lower grade steel headers, and when flaking happens the header rusts. The general consensus was not to waste your money. I see no problem with a good grade stainless steel header. But thats just me.

Edit: and as for the heat issue... it is my understanding that high grade stainless is a very poor heat conductor, whereas a mild steel header conducts heat a lot more. Mild steel headers are usually coated to reduce that heat. But on stainless there isn't really a point to it.

LS3SSRS · 07-09-2009, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by slowerthanu

Thats funny, Doug Thorley Long and short tube headers are ceramic coated steel.

x2, was gonna type this when i read the title lol

JDBeck23 · 07-09-2009, 06:59 AM

I've never seen or heard of ceramic coated headers flaking. I had a set of Bassani coated headers on my old cobra, and they were awesome!

Either way, if I buy a set of long tubes, im going to have them coated... but it would be nice if they came that way!

2SSRS@Gen5diy · 07-09-2009, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by JDBeck23

I've never seen or heard of ceramic coated headers flaking. I had a set of Bassani coated headers on my old cobra, and they were awesome!

Either way, if I buy a set of long tubes, im going to have them coated... but it would be nice if they came that way!

+1

White Devil · 07-09-2009, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JDBeck23

I've never seen or heard of ceramic coated headers flaking. I had a set of Bassani coated headers on my old cobra, and they were awesome!

Apparently it happens more in very humid climates.

*radz28* · 07-09-2009, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by White Devil

Apparently it happens more in very humid climates.

Salted roads; on the coast; etc. I've seen flaking on cars in my area too, and I live in a valley with no salt and am a hundred miles from the coast.

I feel that the coatings work, even with stainless. I had a couple sets of T304 LTs and I left one as-is and the other primed and painted with VHT 2000* Header paint. I also had set of Edelbrock stainless (T409) shorties that were ceramic coated and there was a good difference in temperature under the hood between the uncoated (even painted) stainless and the coated shorties. Given, there was less tube with the shorties, so that may have effected heat radiation, but there was a difference.

Will I coat stainless? If I had the money and no other projects on the car I wanted to address, would I coat? Sure. If I had more I'd want to do, I wouldn't though. I say, if you have the $$$, do it. Otherwise, on stainless, you won't really be permanently protecting the steel, so it's kinda' a waste, IMVHO.

Jason 98 TA · 07-09-2009, 10:53 AM

Guys give me a few more weeks, our headers will be ready fully coated & priced similar to our 4th gen stuff! No need to pay double just because your car is new!!

MajikMD · 07-09-2009, 11:02 AM

Didn't realize that the Thorley's were. Nice! It's the under-hood temp reduction I was looking for. I have a set on my 71 Chevelle SS and they keep the heat IN the exhaust stream instead of radiating through the metal. I have a laser temp detector and the surface of the headers nevers gets more than 220 degrees. You can ALMOST touch them with the engine hot.

They keep the compartment cooler, which aside from performance, keeps your plastic and wiring from drying out and cracking over time.

Jason - I'm very interested - send me a PM if you don't mind with the details. I'm in Abilene.

Thanks for the input guys.

White Devil · 07-09-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason 98 TA

Guys give me a few more weeks, our headers will be ready fully coated & priced similar to our 4th gen stuff! No need to pay double just because your car is new!!

What grade steel are they?

Italianwhiplash · 07-09-2009, 03:46 PM

COuld Just send them out to get jet coate. Which Isn't that bad at all.

o2camaross · 07-10-2009, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason 98 TA

Guys give me a few more weeks, our headers will be ready fully coated & priced similar to our 4th gen stuff! No need to pay double just because your car is new!!

you just brought a smile to my face sir

*KILLER74Z28* · 07-10-2009, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JDBeck23

I've never seen or heard of ceramic coated headers flaking. I had a set of Bassani coated headers on my old cobra, and they were awesome!

Either way, if I buy a set of long tubes, im going to have them coated... but it would be nice if they came that way!

I have a $500 dollar set of Super Comps from Hooker for my 74 Z28 that looked like @$$ after one year and you should see them now after 10 years, "Total Crap"... If I was to buy ceramic again, and that's a big "IF" I would have JET HOT coat them...

07-08-2009, 11:44 PM	#1
MajikMD Drives: 2SS/RS, 6spd, IOM, blk hockey Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Abilene, TX Posts: 54	Why no ceramic coated headers out there? Just noticing that everyone is selling stainless headers, which are plenty nice, but what about the benefits of a ceramic coated model? Drastically lower underhood temps...yada yada. I know I could have them done myself...just wondering why nobody is offering one yet... Anybody found some? Thanks!

07-09-2009, 06:59 AM	#5
JDBeck23 Drives: 2010 Camaro, 2SS/RS Join Date: May 2009 Location: King George, Va Posts: 881	I've never seen or heard of ceramic coated headers flaking. I had a set of Bassani coated headers on my old cobra, and they were awesome! Either way, if I buy a set of long tubes, im going to have them coated... but it would be nice if they came that way! __________________ 2010 2SS/RS CGM American Racing Headers, Magnaflow axle back, Roto-Fab CAI, Audio Integrations Sub box, Alpine Type R 10, Alpine MRP-500 amp, Pro Clips iPhone Mount

07-09-2009, 03:46 PM	#12
Italianwhiplash Drives: 2006 Dodge Charger r/t Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New York Posts: 176 View My Garage	COuld Just send them out to get jet coate. Which Isn't that bad at all. __________________ 2006 Dodge Charger R/T-Heads, cam, headers,exhaust,cut outs, nitrous , intake, 1000hp axles,3.75 gears and much much more 2009 Hemi Orange Dodge Challenger SRT-8 - 6 speed, Headers, exhaust, Super Charged,SMS Supercharger, 4.10 gears, stage 5 transmission, duel clutch, and the beast under the hood A 440 CI 7.2 LITER HEMI On order victory Red 2ss RS Camaro, Parts already received ARH Headers, SLP loud Mouth I exhaust, waiting for Vortech SuperCharger.

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07-08-2009, 11:55 PM	#2
slowerthanu Drives: 2ss on order, 06 f-150 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Utah Posts: 42	Thats funny, Doug Thorley Long and short tube headers are ceramic coated steel.

07-09-2009, 12:24 AM	#3
White Devil Drives: Summit White 1SS Soon Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 52	Read a long time ago on ls1tech a lot of guys having problems with coatings flaking and not lasting on daily drivers. Coatings are usually on lower grade steel headers, and when flaking happens the header rusts. The general consensus was not to waste your money. I see no problem with a good grade stainless steel header. But thats just me. Edit: and as for the heat issue... it is my understanding that high grade stainless is a very poor heat conductor, whereas a mild steel header conducts heat a lot more. Mild steel headers are usually coated to reduce that heat. But on stainless there isn't really a point to it.

07-09-2009, 10:53 AM	#9
Jason 98 TA Drives: Camaro Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 1,669	Guys give me a few more weeks, our headers will be ready fully coated & priced similar to our 4th gen stuff! No need to pay double just because your car is new!!

07-09-2009, 11:02 AM	#10
MajikMD Drives: 2SS/RS, 6spd, IOM, blk hockey Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Abilene, TX Posts: 54	Didn't realize that the Thorley's were. Nice! It's the under-hood temp reduction I was looking for. I have a set on my 71 Chevelle SS and they keep the heat IN the exhaust stream instead of radiating through the metal. I have a laser temp detector and the surface of the headers nevers gets more than 220 degrees. You can ALMOST touch them with the engine hot. They keep the compartment cooler, which aside from performance, keeps your plastic and wiring from drying out and cracking over time. Jason - I'm very interested - send me a PM if you don't mind with the details. I'm in Abilene. Thanks for the input guys.